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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    again, when the proponents of gun restrictions spend so much time ridiculing gun owners and their hatred is generally directed at lawful gun owners and the NRA, its rather unconvincing when you all pretend that its crime control you really want
    You will never get them to admit that though. We have offered solutions such as enforcing the laws directing the law enforcement community and mental health counseling profession to report the mentally ill to the national background check database and fix the revolving door criminal justice system. All the gun haters can offer is: "Ban duh guns!".

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    He lives there. You read the internet. Think about that, then reply again.
    I have. In determining the level of racism in a community, town, or state, the personal experiences of one individual--based on interaction w/a tiny, selectively chosen sample of the population there--is irrelevant.

    Such samples are biased, esp. in this case since if Goshin himself isn't racist, it's unlikely he would voluntarily interact w/anyone who was, hence excluding them from the sample, even if they happen to be there.

    For a description of the beliefs, attitudes of a group of people to be scientifically valid, it must be based on a representative sample, one chosen such that all potential sub-demographics (any smaller groups that could be potentially possess distinct sociological attributes) within the larger demographic are equally represented in the sample.

    Even otherwise, the legally sanctioned flying of the confederate flag over the SC statehouse is a clear-cut example of institutional racism--the worst kind.

    And in the case of SC, since the flying of the flag was authorized by the legislature, it must logically imply that those who elected those people to the legislature are themselves racist, since the pols in the legislature wouldn't be keeping it up unless their constituents were pressuring them to do so.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and when the proponents of unlimited gun ownership spend so much time ridiculing those who would like to see some rationality inserted into the national debate, and when the NRA appears to be little more than a lobbying agency for gun manufacturers, it is rather unconvincing when you pretend that imposing any restrictions on gun ownership is the equivalent of imposing a dictatorship on Americans.
    You are making it up as you go along. No conservative is suggesting unlimited gun ownership. And I have yet to see any rationality on the gun control side. And the NRA lobbies for enforcing the gun laws already on the books. If they were enforced, there would be alot less gun crime. The NRA is absolutely against for instance felons possessing firearms. And there are already common sense restrictions on gun ownership.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Thank you.


    I don't know what "SC" that ... person.. is talking about... but THIS is MY South Carolina...
    Your South Carolina is not the whole South Carolina. Even in the most racist communities on the planet, anyone could find pockets that don't represent the whole.

    BTW, in your South Carolina, isn't the confederate flag still flying over the statehouse?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The real world says the anti gun control folks refuse to acknowledge the multiple studies and examples that counter their position. It is impossible to "meet the test" when the goalpost are mounted on a highpowered moving van.
    Which of the multiple studies addresses the fact that despite having the toughest gun control laws in the country, Chicago is about the most violent city in the country. Which of the multiple studies addresses the fact that the cities with the least restrictions on firearm posession have the lowest amounts of crime?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What?
    Perhaps tomorrow's Dylann Storm Roof.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    To return to the thread's topic, "Donations are reportedly pouring in to help families of the victims of the deadly Charleston church massacre cover funeral costs, and aerospace company Boeing is among the big donors with a pledge to give as much as $100,000."
    Donations Pour in to Help Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Cover Funeral Costs; Boeing Pledges $100K

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I'll take that as an admission on your part that those in the gun control movement are going after all gun owners rather then restricting their efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and lunatics.
    You can 'take' it anyway you wish - don't mean you are correct
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Which of the multiple studies addresses the fact that despite having the toughest gun control laws in the country, Chicago is about the most violent city in the country. Which of the multiple studies addresses the fact that the cities with the least restrictions on firearm posession have the lowest amounts of crime?
    Oh, I'm sorry. You must not have heard that those laws were stricken down by the Supreme Court a 'few' months past. I even remember certain websites claiming how crime was dropping last year because concealed carry was being allowed in Chicago - even though those articles were posted before the changes in the law went into effect -- Chicago Murder Rate drops when Concealed Carry becomes Legal

    Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

    Sept 2014 Crime Rates in Chicago Plummet After IL Implements Concealed Carry

    and then there is reality CHICAGO SHOOTINGS UP 40 PERCENT IN FIRST QUARTER OF 2015, CPD SAYS
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry. You must not have heard that those laws were stricken down by the Supreme Court a 'few' months past. I even remember certain websites claiming how crime was dropping last year because concealed carry was being allowed in Chicago - even though those articles were posted before the changes in the law went into effect -- Chicago Murder Rate drops when Concealed Carry becomes Legal

    Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

    Sept 2014 Crime Rates in Chicago Plummet After IL Implements Concealed Carry

    and then there is reality CHICAGO SHOOTINGS UP 40 PERCENT IN FIRST QUARTER OF 2015, CPD SAYS
    And how many of those shootings actually involved concealed carry holders? Because your article doesn't say.

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