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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Actually, it's because I'm not proposing solutions. I'm trying to let you know you have cancer and you don't want to believe it because you don't like the treatment. And you imagine yourself a 'victim' because of it. Poor you.

    Glen Contrarian offered some reasonable solutions in this thread.

    no he didn't

    and calling gun ownership a cancer proves what I have been saying all along

    and your treatment is to kill all the healthy cells and pretend you are getting rid of the cancer

    just stop the dishonesty. crime control has nothing to do with your complaints about gun ownership
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I wouldn't be at all surprised, given that the Confederacy was aligned with the Democrats while the Republicans led a war against them. Why Democrats Avoid Confederate History While Republicans Embrace It.
    Good gosh, what a stupid article. It actually compares the ACA to slavery.

    I should have quit reading with "Democrat [sic] governor" - which is a helpful guarantee of hackery to come. And it just got worse.

    BTW, if someone wants to reference "history" and then ignores the flipping of the white conservatives in the South from the Democratic party to the GOP starting with the CRA, then what follows is revisionist propaganda instead of actual history. And what it assumes is the overwhelming majority of blacks who vote Democratic are too stupid to notice that they're aligned with the pro-slavery party in this era. And since the latter isn't true, there must be something missing in this idiot's understanding of recent history.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You mention Ann Coulter and have just one article by her, without pointing out any untruths. Why not take a quote of hers, in context, and then point out any errors in her logic?
    Actually I just posted two links about Ann Coulter saying that stuff and in my previous post I posted a video of her saying it.

    Anyways, you don't seem to actually be claiming that she doesn't push that meme, you're just saying that you agree with her on it, as did Dylann. So, you're actually proving my premise, right? You are a follower of right wing media and as a result, you perceive black men as white-woman-rapists. That proves what I've been saying, doesn't it?

    Anyways, as for the validity of it, again: In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh yes it is!

    Especially when you offer a picture to back up the bigoted claim, and not one single sociological study even hinting that the right is any more bigoted than the left. And, sir, in my experience and the blind attitude expressed in your post, I would say a possibly even bigger problem, only aimed at a different hate target.

    What all Canadians know, is that everything, everything in America is race. Everything. Denzel Washington cannot be just a great actor, he has to be a "black" actor. What many of us know is that Americans hate each other, right vs left, Democrat vs Republican, them vs us. I, a long standing liberal who has supported causes you guys are getting arround to talking about immediately gets labelled a "con" or "neo con" simply for taking a stand similar to conservatives. That's bigotry with a capital ****ing "B".

    We have ideological differences, not death threats over ****ing pizza. If there was ever an outright example of left wing hate that was it, and the fact I saw not one left winger in here denounce it. The left cannot point a bigoted finger at bigotry and claim the other guys are guilty.
    Pretending there isn't a problem doesn't make it go away. Is it bigotry to say that fundamentalist Islam needs to deal with its terrorism problem? Or that radical environmentalism has a terrorism problem? Bigotry is not pointing out a problem in a community, it's pointing out a problem in some but not others.

    True bigotry is applying different standards to the same thing because of reasons like race, religion, sexual orientation, or politics. It's bigotry to view every act of violence by a Muslim as an act of terrorism, but call this an "accident" or the act of a mentally disturbed person. This guy is no more or less disturbed than the 9/11 hijackers. Nine people died. Those people aren't any less valuable than the three who died in at the marathon bombing or the five who died in Benghazi.

    If you're white, and have conservative friends, then you've heard lots of casual racism, to the point that it's not remarkable. It's no different than the way anti-us sentiments are casually thrown about in fundamentalist Islam.

    You may think that these comments are innocent. But they're really not. They dehumanize groups of people. It's us the hardworking white person who contributes to society and them the welfare queen black person who just takes. Aside from being factually false, this dehumanization is what gives people the justification to kill. Monsters don't think they're being monstrous, they're sacrificing themselves to do what they think must be done.

    If we expect Muslims to police their fringe elements, then we should no less from ourselves. Anything else is true bigotry.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Actually, it's because I'm not proposing solutions. I'm trying to let you know you have cancer and you don't want to believe it because you don't like the treatment. And you imagine yourself a 'victim' because of it. Poor you.

    Glen Contrarian offered some reasonable solutions in this thread.
    Actually, as an uninvolved observer of your give and take here, what I've seen is that you'd identified a "cancer" and assumed that because some "red meat" may lead to "cancer" in some individuals, "red meat" should be banned or severely restricted for all other individuals even though that "red meat" isn't a "trigger" for "cancer" in the vast majority of individuals in society.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I don't really know what you thought Ann Coulter was about... I mean, I guess if you just aren't familiar with her, that is probably a good thing, but yeah, that's her whole bit- she pitches white supremacy on conservative media outlets. That's the only thing she does. Limbaugh is more of a general-purpose right wing nut. He covers all kinds of things from economic policy to pushing white supremacy. I already gave you several examples of them and other right wingers pushing that meme, but here are some more:

    Ann Coulter Says Immigrants Will Rape and Impregnate Your Little Girls
    Ann Coulter - December 4, 2013 - LIBERALS TALK RACE AND CRIME - AND HILARITY ENSUES!
    The truth about interracial rape
    Black America's real problem isn't white racism

    Etc.

    It isn't a remotely new thing, that has been one of the main white supremacist talking points for literally hundreds of years. In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.
    Coulter mentioned immigrants, not blacks. But more importantly, do you have even a shred of evidence that this kid was acting based upon what she may have said? No. you do not. So all you are doing is smearing people for no particular reason.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Actually I just posted two links about Ann Coulter saying that stuff and in my previous post I posted a video of her saying it.
    I missed those.

    Anyways, you don't seem to actually be claiming that she doesn't push that meme,
    If you go by what i "seem to be saying" rather than what I am saying then you could get confused by any posting or article. Why not go with what is really being said rather than trying to decipher hidden messages?

    you're just saying that you agree with her on it, as did Dylann.
    In fact I never said that at all. You're hearing voices.
    So, you're actually proving my premise, right? You are a follower of right wing media and as a result, you perceive black men as white-woman-rapists. That proves what I've been saying, doesn't it?
    If those noises in your head get any louder you should turn yourself in immediately.
    Anyways, as for the validity of it, again: In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.
    Uh-huh.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Coulter mentioned immigrants, not blacks. But more importantly, do you have even a shred of evidence that this kid was acting based upon what she may have said? No. you do not. So all you are doing is smearing people for no particular reason.
    Yep, that one was about immigrants. She's a white supremacist. That means she is not just anti-black, she is against all non-whites. The other two from her were specific to black people, but she says that sort of stuff about Hispanics, Muslims, Native Americans and blacks. Not Asians. White supremacists generally make an exception for Asians these days, although they didn't always.

    Not sure what kind of evidence you would expect to be able to find.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, as an uninvolved observer of your give and take here, what I've seen is that you'd identified a "cancer" and assumed that because some "red meat" may lead to "cancer" in some individuals, "red meat" should be banned or severely restricted for all other individuals even though that "red meat" isn't a "trigger" for "cancer" in the vast majority of individuals in society.
    his solution, along with the solutions of other gun restrictionists, to "cancer" is to force people to undergo treatments that kill almost all the healthy cells in the HOPE that a few malignant cells will also die. and when the patient only gets sicker, his solution is to demand MORE of the treatment. after awhile, intelligent people no longer believe that curing the patient is the real motivation but rather killing him is the goal.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Yep, that one was about immigrants. She's a white supremacist. That means she is not just anti-black, she is against all non-whites. The other two from her were specific to black people, but she says that sort of stuff about Hispanics, Muslims, Native Americans and blacks. Not Asians. White supremacists generally make an exception for Asians these days, although they didn't always.

    Not sure what kind of evidence you would expect to be able to find.
    She is not a white supremacist. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

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