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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    When we will learn to live peacefully as human being rather hate each other? What's going on in this country? Why there is so much hatred?! Let flowers in your hand not gun.
    This is the actions of a single individual. Stop pretending like it is a mass movement.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Sorry, that is asinine. Name for me the political figure or pundit who has said anything even remotely close to that. You cant. You are just spreading lies.
    I mean, the idea that minorities are "taking over the country" is a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly... The shooter said, pretty much word for word, what O'Reilly said to summarize the 2012 election results. And it isn't just O'Reilly, that view is constantly expressed by dozens on the right. Even Romney insinuated as much on the very night of the election. Glenn Beck constantly argued that the country has been taken over by communist black supremacists intent on committing genocide against whites... The idea that there is an epidemic of black men raping white women has been a significant theme of right wing media for decades now.

    For example, here is a collection of well known right wing pundits ranting about black-on-white crime and particularly black men raping white women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mesx9htmRdI

    Ann Coulter pushes the black men raping white women meme pretty much every day. Limbaugh is constantly going on about it. Etc.

    These things have an impact. It matters how media outlets talk about this stuff.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I mean, the idea that minorities are "taking over the country" is a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly... The shooter said, pretty much word for word, what O'Reilly said to summarize the 2012 election results. And it isn't just O'Reilly, that view is constantly expressed by dozens on the right. Even Romney insinuated as much on the very night of the election. Glenn Beck constantly argued that the country has been taken over by communist black supremacists intent on committing genocide against whites... The idea that there is an epidemic of black men raping white women has been a significant theme of right wing media for decades now.

    For example, here is a collection of well known right wing pundits ranting about black-on-white crime and particularly black men raping white women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mesx9htmRdI

    Ann Coulter pushes the black men raping white women meme pretty much every day. Limbaugh is constantly going on about it. Etc.

    These things have an impact. It matters how media outlets talk about this stuff.
    I don't listen to Limbaugh, and I haven't read a Coulter article in several months. But I did watch your linked YouTube and am disappointed that you're taking what's being said out of context.

    Coulter was discussing the "racial etiquette" of mainstream media reporting and how "man bites dog" stories are more frequently covered. She cited as an example of this stats from a DOJ victims survey that indicate over a 15-year period that one to two thousand black-on-white rapes occur while white-on-black rapes are statistically irrelevant.

    You show me where Ann Counter or anybody else is pushing a black-men-raping-white-women meme. I don't think you'll be able to, and I urge you to abandon the claim that this is a significant theme of the "right-wing media."
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I mean, the idea that minorities are "taking over the country" is a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly... The shooter said, pretty much word for word, what O'Reilly said to summarize the 2012 election results. And it isn't just O'Reilly, that view is constantly expressed by dozens on the right. Even Romney insinuated as much on the very night of the election. Glenn Beck constantly argued that the country has been taken over by communist black supremacists intent on committing genocide against whites... The idea that there is an epidemic of black men raping white women has been a significant theme of right wing media for decades now.

    For example, here is a collection of well known right wing pundits ranting about black-on-white crime and particularly black men raping white women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mesx9htmRdI

    Ann Coulter pushes the black men raping white women meme pretty much every day. Limbaugh is constantly going on about it. Etc.

    These things have an impact. It matters how media outlets talk about this stuff.
    Please provide quotes from Coulter and Limbaugh. If they are "going on about it constantly' you should be able to come up with lots of stuff. I will be kind, though, and request just a single instance from each. Thank you.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    I wouldn't be at all surprised, given that the Confederacy was aligned with the Democrats while the Republicans led a war against them. Why Democrats Avoid Confederate History While Republicans Embrace It.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't listen to Limbaugh, and I haven't read a Coulter article in several months. But I did watch your linked YouTube and am disappointed that you're taking what's being said out of context.

    Coulter was discussing the "racial etiquette" of mainstream media reporting and how "man bites dog" stories are more frequently covered. She cited as an example of this stats from a DOJ victims survey that indicate over a 15-year period that one to two thousand black-on-white rapes occur while white-on-black rapes are statistically irrelevant.

    You show me where Ann Counter or anybody else is pushing a black-men-raping-white-women meme. I don't think you'll be able to, and I urge you to abandon the claim that this is a significant theme of the "right-wing media."
    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Please provide quotes from Coulter and Limbaugh. If they are "going on about it constantly' you should be able to come up with lots of stuff. I will be kind, though, and request just a single instance from each. Thank you.
    I don't really know what you thought Ann Coulter was about... I mean, I guess if you just aren't familiar with her, that is probably a good thing, but yeah, that's her whole bit- she pitches white supremacy on conservative media outlets. That's the only thing she does. Limbaugh is more of a general-purpose right wing nut. He covers all kinds of things from economic policy to pushing white supremacy. I already gave you several examples of them and other right wingers pushing that meme, but here are some more:

    Ann Coulter Says Immigrants Will Rape and Impregnate Your Little Girls
    Ann Coulter - December 4, 2013 - LIBERALS TALK RACE AND CRIME - AND HILARITY ENSUES!
    The truth about interracial rape
    Black America's real problem isn't white racism

    Etc.

    It isn't a remotely new thing, that has been one of the main white supremacist talking points for literally hundreds of years. In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your posts fail to actually respond to points and instead they engage in irrelevant. and its amusing that you just don't get it. When you spend so much time insulting and ridiculing lawful gun owners, its rather hard to pretend your motivations are actually based on some legitimate desire to increase public safety. Rather, your posts exemplify what i have said all along: your position is based on a disgust for the politics of pro gun advocates and your hatred of the NRA's lobbying efforts

    that's why your posts have yet to proffer a legitimate solution for crime issues
    Actually, it's because I'm not proposing solutions. I'm trying to let you know you have cancer and you don't want to believe it because you don't like the treatment. And you imagine yourself a 'victim' because of it. Poor you.

    Glen Contrarian offered some reasonable solutions in this thread.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I don't really know what you thought Ann Coulter was about... I mean, I guess if you just aren't familiar with her, that is probably a good thing, but yeah, that's her whole bit- she pitches white supremacy on conservative media outlets. That's the only thing she does. Limbaugh is more of a general-purpose right wing nut. He covers all kinds of things from economic policy to pushing white supremacy. I already gave you several examples of them and other right wingers pushing that meme, but here are some more:

    Ann Coulter Says Immigrants Will Rape and Impregnate Your Little Girls
    Ann Coulter - December 4, 2013 - LIBERALS TALK RACE AND CRIME - AND HILARITY ENSUES!
    The truth about interracial rape
    Black America's real problem isn't white racism

    Etc.

    It isn't a remotely new thing, that has been one of the main white supremacist talking points for literally hundreds of years. In reality, of course, interracial rape is extremely rare. Much of the hype about it historically came from cases where an interracial couple was caught having sex and the authorities just treated that as a rape because interracial sex was so unacceptable that they would coerce the women into saying it was rape, or just ignore what the women said entirely and lock up or kill the black person.
    You mention Ann Coulter and have just one article by her, without pointing out any untruths. Why not take a quote of hers, in context, and then point out any errors in her logic?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
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    Don't get me wrong - like most liberals, I strongly support the right of law-abiding citizens to purchase and keep firearms, but with limits. I support full registration of firearms, background checks for all purchases (public or private), and restrictions against certain types of firearms and attachments...and the idea that these eminently sensible measures are somehow tyrannical...is sheer lunacy. And every year we have thousands of innocent men, women, and children killed (deliberately or accidentally) simply because so many Americans can't see past their own gun fetish.

    I don't even own a gun - I don't need one. If I lived back where I grew up in MS, I'd sure as heck have guns in the house, at least one good pistol for self-defense (since the boonies are normally a significantly higher-crime area than the suburbs), a 12-gauge for larger wild animals and the occasional rabid dog, and a .410 for smaller varmints, especially cottonmouths and the relatively new crossbreed we call 'rattlemocs', which is exactly what it sounds like). But where I live, I don't need one.
    you're are advocating gun bans. nothing is sensible about the stuff you support other than trying to ban guns

    and most gun banners-if not all are liberals, lefties, socialists, progressives etc.. when I see the nonsense about gun fetishes its a dead giveaway that the motivation for gun control is cultural-=has nothing to do with stopping criminals
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm not particularly interested in a foreigner's opinion.
    It's actually fact. not opinion. You really should learn to differentiate between the two.

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