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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The real world says the anti gun control folks refuse to acknowledge the multiple studies and examples that counter their position. It is impossible to "meet the test" when the goalpost are mounted on a highpowered moving van.
    We have gun control in this country. The question for those who want more gun control is what measures do you suggest that would prevent this sort of event from happening in the future.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I asked you. What sort of new gun control regulation would have stopped this from happening?
    My guess is that someone who's able to obtain opiates will also be able to obtain an illegal gun.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    My guess is that someone who's able to obtain opiates will also be able to obtain an illegal gun.
    more importantly, those who claim gun bans (its already illegal for anyone with a record, under indictment, a fugitive, a Domestic violence miscreant, etc to even touch a firearm) will be more effective in stopping criminals from having guns are either dishonest or are completely and totally ignorant about the "success" of the idiotic war on drugs

    the only thing the war on drugs has done was to criminalize drug use and that is the purpose of the gun banners-to punish people who want to legally use guns
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The real world says the anti gun control folks refuse to acknowledge the multiple studies and examples that counter their position. It is impossible to "meet the test" when the goalpost are mounted on a highpowered moving van.
    the real world being liberal gun haters?

    what studies can you find that support your position that actually come from unbiased sources

    and what exactly would have stopped this asshole other than someone shooting him in the church?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It was most definitely a racist attack.
    Yes, the victims were chosen because of their race. What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric, or the Confederate flag. It seems every time something like this happens, everyone rushes to try to identify the perpetrators political lean then use that to smear everyone with the same political thinking. Racism was the pretext for his action. The root cause was a twisted mind. He sat with these wonderful people and talked with them for over an hour. Then pulled out a gun and slaughtered them. That is the act of a psychopath, moved by his own twisted thoughts.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes, the victims were chosen because of their race. What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric, or the Confederate flag. It seems every time something like this happens, everyone rushes to try to identify the perpetrators political lean then use that to smear everyone with the same political thinking. Racism was the pretext for his action. The root cause was a twisted mind. He sat with these wonderful people and talked with them for over an hour. Then pulled out a gun and slaughtered them. That is the act of a psychopath, moved by his own twisted thoughts.
    The confederate flag stands for their culture. Part of that culture is racism.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes, the victims were chosen because of their race. What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric, or the Confederate flag. It seems every time something like this happens, everyone rushes to try to identify the perpetrators political lean then use that to smear everyone with the same political thinking. Racism was the pretext for his action. The root cause was a twisted mind. He sat with these wonderful people and talked with them for over an hour. Then pulled out a gun and slaughtered them. That is the act of a psychopath, moved by his own twisted thoughts.
    Yes, a unique individual who's mentally ill, and I do think racism was the pretext for Roof's mass murder. That's the heart of this--what makes someone commit mass murder?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    When we will learn to live peacefully as human being rather hate each other? What's going on in this country? Why there is so much hatred?! Let flowers in your hand not gun.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    We have gun control in this country. The question for those who want more gun control is what measures do you suggest that would prevent this sort of event from happening in the future.
    I think the question is more than that. Just about every gun control measure anybody has ever proposed would reduce the incidence of murder at least a tiny bit. The question is, for each potential gun control measure, whether the reduction it would bring would outweigh the hassle it would create for lawful gun owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What is being rejected is the idea that this attack is somehow linked to a political philosophy or Fox News, or political rhetoric
    I don't really see how the right can believe that all the racist hate that is spread by some- certainly not all- pundits and politicians on the right could not have an impact. I mean, where do you think this guy got the idea that black people are taking over the country? Where do you think he got the idea that there is some epidemic of blacks raping white women? What kind of "news" could this guy have been reading and listening to that wouldn't have been clear that white supremacy is idiotic and immoral?

    Now, that absolutely doesn't mean that conservatism = white supremacy. White supremacy is a problem that once primarily infested the Democratic Party and did all kinds of evil through the Democratic Party. About 50 years ago, the Democrats kicked them out and they began shifting over to the Republican Party. Doing that- kicking them out- was a massive political sacrifice. It isn't easy, at all, for media outlets to turn away the amount of cash that comes from pandering to white supremacists. It is not easy, at all, for a politician to willingly give up all those votes. I do not in any way want to minimize the sacrifice the nation is asking Fox, the GOP, etc., to make here. It is a big ask. We're asking them to give up hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising revenues and millions of votes. If they did it, the entire nation would owe them a major debt of gratitude. But, it has to be done. We did it and we survived as a party. The Republicans would too if they did it. In fact, in the long run, it leaves a political party much stronger to distance itself from that kind of evil. It would be such a magnanimous, noble, sacrifice that many Americans who have at this point written off the GOP would give it a second chance and it would take the whole demographic shift problem off the table, which is pretty much the only way the GOP is going to survive another 20 or 30 years.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post

    I don't really see how the right can believe that all the racist hate that is spread by some- certainly not all- pundits and politicians on the right could not have an impact. I mean, where do you think this guy got the idea that black people are taking over the country? Where do you think he got the idea that there is some epidemic of blacks raping white women? What kind of "news" could this guy have been reading and listening to that wouldn't have been clear that white supremacy is idiotic and immoral?
    Sorry, that is asinine. Name for me the political figure or pundit who has said anything even remotely close to that. You cant. You are just spreading lies.

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