Last edited by Kreton; 06-19-15 at 09:56 PM.
How about these words from Obama...
"The fact that this took place in a black church also raises questions about a dark part of our history,"
WTF is this jerk talking about? What questions? What is this moron trying to say, so inarticulately? He is always ready, ever prepared, to put down this country and it's people, even though it was an act by a single individual.
Boy, did we get the short end of the stick, as a country, when he stepped into office.
"We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
"I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker
For those questioning the shooter's religion
Having read comments here on DebatePolitics from some of those who call themselves Christian, I must wonder if Roof's arguments over Scripture with those he murdered did little more than confirm his bias that those he shot weren't 'real' Christians.Roof, who reportedly sat in a Bible study at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church for almost an hour and argued with congregants about Scripture before pulling out his gun, was himself a member of a Lutheran church in Columbia, the church's pastor confirmed Friday.
"He was on the roll of our congregation," Rev. Tony Metze of St. Paul's Lutheran Church, told The Huffington Post. Metze is also the pastor to Roof's family, and said he has been providing them with "Christian care" since the shooting. The pastor did not respond to questions on how often Roof had attended the church or if had been there recently. He referred HuffPost to the South Carolina Lutheran synod bishop, who did not immediately respond to request for comment.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
However, acting like this means that the C.S.A. was some unmitigated evil, which all Southerners and White Americans must vehemently deny and hold their heads in shame when acknowledging, is taking things a step too far.
The simple fact of the matter is that the root causes of the American Civil War were always more political and economic than they were ever racial or humanitarian. Pretending like the Union was some bastion of egalitarianism and racial compassion, where the C.S.A. was an inhuman charnel house, is simply bunk as such. The reality of the situation was far more complicated than that.
Most Northerners couldn't have cared less about slavery. They simply wanted to preserve the Union intact. Likewise, even Lincoln, the "Great Emancipator," ultimately didn't have any form of "multiculturalism" in mind when he (almost unilaterally, and with great controversy) moved to free the slaves. His idea was actually to ship them all back to Africa at the first available opportunity.
At the end of the day, the legacy of the Confederacy does no more to foster hate or violence than any other American institution. A handful of idiots have simply co-opted it for that purpose, as such fringe political minorities are wont to do with any number of (ultimately arbitrary) national, historical, and ethnic symbols.
Last edited by Gathomas88; 06-19-15 at 11:17 PM.
"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her." -- G.K. Chesterton
Now, that doesn't mean that I think we should have a really heavy-handed gun policy. But I do disagree with the perspective that only your interests are relevant in the question. The interests of everybody affected by a decision have at least some relevance.
Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.