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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. You are begging for solutions so you can immediately dismiss them because you clearly can't see a problem.
    So then you have no faith in your super secret solution? If I disagree I'll explain why.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    See?

    No problem!

    Just love everyone and forgive them, and wait till it happens again.
    This kids mother was murdered by a psychopath. He calls for peace, and you interpret that as him saying no problem? Seriously who are you to be sitting here telling this kid how to feel or react?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Awesome. It's all Obama's fault. You have dismissed yourself outright in a most predictable yet accidentally funny style. Congrats!
    The usual misinterpretation to fit your needs, not unexpected.

    How about these words from Obama...

    "The fact that this took place in a black church also raises questions about a dark part of our history,"

    WTF is this jerk talking about? What questions? What is this moron trying to say, so inarticulately? He is always ready, ever prepared, to put down this country and it's people, even though it was an act by a single individual.

    Boy, did we get the short end of the stick, as a country, when he stepped into office.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The usual misinterpretation to fit your needs, not unexpected.

    How about these words from Obama...

    "The fact that this took place in a black church also raises questions about a dark part of our history,"

    WTF is this jerk talking about? What questions? What is this moron trying to say, so inarticulately? He is always ready, ever prepared, to put down this country and it's people, even though it was an act by a single individual.

    Boy, did we get the short end of the stick, as a country, when he stepped into office.
    Ignoring, or refusing to acknowledge, the history of this nation seems to be far too common. Ignorance of the past does not help a society to advance.

    For those questioning the shooter's religion
    Roof, who reportedly sat in a Bible study at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church for almost an hour and argued with congregants about Scripture before pulling out his gun, was himself a member of a Lutheran church in Columbia, the church's pastor confirmed Friday.

    "He was on the roll of our congregation," Rev. Tony Metze of St. Paul's Lutheran Church, told The Huffington Post. Metze is also the pastor to Roof's family, and said he has been providing them with "Christian care" since the shooting. The pastor did not respond to questions on how often Roof had attended the church or if had been there recently. He referred HuffPost to the South Carolina Lutheran synod bishop, who did not immediately respond to request for comment.
    Having read comments here on DebatePolitics from some of those who call themselves Christian, I must wonder if Roof's arguments over Scripture with those he murdered did little more than confirm his bias that those he shot weren't 'real' Christians.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Y'know, your second paragraph is a great example of false equivalency. To be sure, your opinion is not much different from that of most whites in the South of my youth (including myself at the time), that it was "The War of Northern Aggression", that it was never about slavery, but about economics. But since then I've learned a few things. Yes, the Union was not perfect, but when it came to morality, yes sir, the Union most certainly DID have the moral high ground from the very beginning.

    What's the proof? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Mississippi's Articles of Secession:

    snip...
    No one is denying that the Confederacy's cause was ultimately wrong. That is why they lost.

    However, acting like this means that the C.S.A. was some unmitigated evil, which all Southerners and White Americans must vehemently deny and hold their heads in shame when acknowledging, is taking things a step too far.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the root causes of the American Civil War were always more political and economic than they were ever racial or humanitarian. Pretending like the Union was some bastion of egalitarianism and racial compassion, where the C.S.A. was an inhuman charnel house, is simply bunk as such. The reality of the situation was far more complicated than that.

    Most Northerners couldn't have cared less about slavery. They simply wanted to preserve the Union intact. Likewise, even Lincoln, the "Great Emancipator," ultimately didn't have any form of "multiculturalism" in mind when he (almost unilaterally, and with great controversy) moved to free the slaves. His idea was actually to ship them all back to Africa at the first available opportunity.

    At the end of the day, the legacy of the Confederacy does no more to foster hate or violence than any other American institution. A handful of idiots have simply co-opted it for that purpose, as such fringe political minorities are wont to do with any number of (ultimately arbitrary) national, historical, and ethnic symbols.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unaffiliated View Post
    It's simply the basic civilizational principle of the thing.


    You don't need a handgun. Certainly the average Republican who advocates that they need guns who lives in an all-white rural area or suburban area certainly doesn't need a handgun.

    You don't need an automatic-semi weapon. There is zero need for that.

    Hunting rifles are the only logical thing that makes sense. No other legal gun makes any logical sense whatsoever from a civilizational point of measure.
    What I don't need is somebody telling me what I need or don't need.

    And as for gun ownership, that I want a gun is all the rationale I need.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What I don't need is somebody telling me what I need or don't need.

    And as for gun ownership, that I want a gun is all the rationale I need.
    gun banners haven't figured out that telling us we don't need weapons is exactly why we do
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What I don't need is somebody telling me what I need or don't need.

    And as for gun ownership, that I want a gun is all the rationale I need.
    That rationale makes sense if you're talking about a decision that only affects you. If the decision only affects the person making it, IMO, it is only that person's business. But, if a decision has consequences for others, then society starts to have a more legitimate role to play there. Guns obviously affect others in the most dramatic way possible, so that seems to me as something society has a legitimate interest in regulating. If my neighbor gets a gun, that puts my life at risk, the lives of my family and friends, my property, etc. So, I think I should have some say in whether or not they get a gun, how they store it, etc.

    Now, that doesn't mean that I think we should have a really heavy-handed gun policy. But I do disagree with the perspective that only your interests are relevant in the question. The interests of everybody affected by a decision have at least some relevance.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    That rationale makes sense if you're talking about a decision that only affects you. If the decision only affects the person making it, IMO, it is only that person's business. But, if a decision has consequences for others, then society starts to have a more legitimate role to play there. Guns obviously affect others in the most dramatic way possible, so that seems to me as something society has a legitimate interest in regulating. If my neighbor gets a gun, that puts my life at risk, the lives of my family and friends, my property, etc. So, I think I should have some say in whether or not they get a gun, how they store it, etc.

    Now, that doesn't mean that I think we should have a really heavy-handed gun policy. But I do disagree with the perspective that only your interests are relevant in the question. The interests of everybody affected by a decision have at least some relevance.
    My decision to own a gun affects only me and those who might find themselves at the wrong end of it.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there are no problems that can be solved by left-wingers attacking gun owners because they don't like the way many of us vote

    when one's motivations are not honestly stated, a real discussion cannot take place
    LOL, apparently, there isn't problem because you don't like any of the solutions!
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