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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    salon and mother jones and DU exist to make radical lefties look reasonable compared to these kook sites
    Yes, TD looks at the comments section of a site and assumes that those anonymous individuals who post such comments speak for all liberals and lefties.

    This would be very much like me pointing to comments by white supremacists and claiming they speak for all conservatives and righties.

    But that is what's called a broad-brush logical fallacy - and it's stupid. I know that, and that's why I don't do that. TD hasn't learned this yet, apparently.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually everyone knows what the problems are. liberals who want to punish gun owners with gun bans or other stupid restrictions pretend that guns are the problem but never have any rational solutions. the reason why is that solving or preventing crime is only a pre textual motivation. the real motivation is to punish people for their politics.
    Gosh. It must be so hard to always be a victim.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, the SA is quite clear indeed...and the obvious context of the first clause - the preparatory clause which sets the context of the entirety of the Amendment, particularly in view of the political issues and debates of the time over whether we should have an army at all or instead simply rely upon militias - is flatly ignored by the modern gun-rights lobby.

    I really don't want to debate it - not because I can't prove my point to my satisfaction, but because every such debate I've seen devolves into what I can only liken to a religious debate over Biblical texts wherein with rhetorical tap-dancing, one side will obfuscate or flatly ignore the obvious text and the context thereof. Why? Because that side absolutely must at all costs protect its beliefs, its dogma.

    And so it is with the SA - to modern gun-rights enthusiasts, the obvious context of the preparatory clause and the politics of the time in which it was written must be ignored, or at a minimum, twisted in order to protect their beliefs, their dogma. It's a religious debate in form, if not in function.

    And that's why I really do try to stay out of SA debates - they're a waste of time and effort.
    mainly because the anti gun side's arguments are based on dishonesty. That side really isn't about stopping crime or mass shootings but rather imposing restrictions on honest gun owners for political reasons. It doesn't take a genius to know that if the penalties of 9 capital counts of murder doesn't scare someone, the penalty for having an illegal gun won't either. and for those who claim someone willing to sacrifice his own life to kill others will be deterred from finding a gun if they all were banned, one only has to look at prohibition or the war on drugs to realize what bovine excrement that argument is

    the fact is, shooters like the one in question here are similar to the Japanese Kamikaze pilots of the latter stages of WWII. they are people who intend to die or at least don't worry about it. The only way to stop such people is to shoot them down before they kill too many people. The fear of punishment is irrelevant to them
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Gosh. It must be so hard to always be a victim.
    I am well armed, I take measures against being a victim. what exactly does that comment have to do with this thread? Have you come up with any suggested changes in the law that would have prevented this massacre?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    LOL, you didn't read the article before you posted that, did you?

    That's what it is about- that the right seeks to blame Muslims or blacks in general when individual Muslims or blacks do something horrible, but the right doesn't apply the same approach to whites. The headline, and the subtitle, are mocking right wing headlines about black and Muslim acts. For example "where are the white fathers" is one of the subtitles, which is a play on a Fox editorial "where are the black fathers" and so on
    Okay, thanks for clarifying

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    It's simply the basic civilizational principle of the thing.


    You don't need a handgun. Certainly the average Republican who advocates that they need guns who lives in an all-white rural area or suburban area certainly doesn't need a handgun.

    You don't need an automatic-semi weapon. There is zero need for that.

    Hunting rifles are the only logical thing that makes sense. No other legal gun makes any logical sense whatsoever from a civilizational point of measure.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    For all of you that are a little slow on the uptake... he intended to start a race war by shooting blacks, which would never work, but, ironically, Obama condemns his actions, yet has done more than this guy could ever dream to increase racial tensions and make things tougher for the black community.

    I wonder if Obama allowed himself a little... nah.
    Awesome. It's all Obama's fault. You have dismissed yourself outright in a most predictable yet accidentally funny style. Congrats!
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Republican gun logic is simply amazing from a pro gun "Libertarian" viewpoint.


    "NO we can't have police having automatic weapons that's a police state!! And then "But random Lunatics should by ALL MEANS have easy access to automatic weapons and their ammos".

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am well armed, I take measures against being a victim. what exactly does that comment have to do with this thread? Have you come up with any suggested changes in the law that would have prevented this massacre?
    Again...you need to recognize the problem before you formulate solutions.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am well armed, I take measures against being a victim. what exactly does that comment have to do with this thread? Have you come up with any suggested changes in the law that would have prevented this massacre?
    Yes, I realize you are frightened and need to be armed. But victimhood manifests in many ways.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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