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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    The family got to have their words heard by the killer at the bail meeting.

    This is one snippet of a family member:


    These people are heads and shoulders above me. I could never be this civilized. But I am trying.


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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    Nixon was for gun control
    Bush 1 was for gun control
    Reagan was for gun control


    All major GOP heroes.
    Nixon wanted to ban handguns

    no pro gun advocate holds him up as a gun rights supporter

    Bush I vetoed the brady bill but caved and issued an executive order banning some imports-no one holds him up as a pro rights advocate

    Reagan only signed the Hughes Amendment because he wanted to pro gun M-V bill to pass. after he left office, his senility caught up with him and he tried t salve the butt hurt of the Bradys. His justice Scalia wrote Heller
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    In point of fact, if it weren't for the Emancipation Proclamation (which was deeply unpopular in the North anyway), the Union wouldn't have much of any "moral high ground" with regards to race over the Confederacy at all.
    Y'know, your second paragraph is a great example of false equivalency. To be sure, your opinion is not much different from that of most whites in the South of my youth (including myself at the time), that it was "The War of Northern Aggression", that it was never about slavery, but about economics. But since then I've learned a few things. Yes, the Union was not perfect, but when it came to morality, yes sir, the Union most certainly DID have the moral high ground from the very beginning.

    What's the proof? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Mississippi's Articles of Secession:

    A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

    In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

    The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

    The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
    The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

    It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

    It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.


    It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

    It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact, which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

    It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.


    It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
    It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
    It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

    It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

    It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

    ...

    Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

    Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Just when I thought the far Left couldnt get any dumber



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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You haven't proposed any solutions.

    What are you saying the problem is?

    For the record, if you keep replying and not saying anything we aren't going to get anywhere. You are making claims, but you are refusing to actually discuss it. Explain what you are saying and why you think it will work.
    Do I need to type slower?

    You can't propose solutions if you can't recognize the problem.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Storm View Post
    Just when I thought the far Left couldnt get any dumber


    LOL, you didn't read the article before you posted that, did you?

    That's what it is about- that the right seeks to blame Muslims or blacks in general when individual Muslims or blacks do something horrible, but the right doesn't apply the same approach to whites. The headline, and the subtitle, are mocking right wing headlines about black and Muslim acts. For example "where are the white fathers" is one of the subtitles, which is a play on a Fox editorial "where are the black fathers" and so on.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You're neglecting the fact that SC and the rest of the Deep South are still vehemently racist. The guy didn't start a race war; a race war already exists in that part of the country.

    Despite the image SC officials are trying to portray to the rest of the country, the perp who shot up the church will be hailed as a hero by most of the Whites living in SC.
    This may be true for some of the people but more importantly,(and maybe you could lend your expertise here), how do you think this will be received by the Equus africanus asinus population?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Storm View Post
    Just when I thought the far Left couldnt get any dumber


    salon and mother jones and DU exist to make radical lefties look reasonable compared to these kook sites
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The language of the Second Amendment is quite clear. I don't think it applies in other countries.
    Yes, the SA is quite clear indeed...and the obvious context of the first clause - the preparatory clause which sets the context of the entirety of the Amendment, particularly in view of the political issues and debates of the time over whether we should have an army at all or instead simply rely upon militias - is flatly ignored by the modern gun-rights lobby.

    I really don't want to debate it - not because I can't prove my point to my satisfaction, but because every such debate I've seen devolves into what I can only liken to a religious debate over Biblical texts wherein with rhetorical tap-dancing, one side will obfuscate or flatly ignore the obvious text and the context thereof. Why? Because that side absolutely must at all costs protect its beliefs, its dogma.

    And so it is with the SA - to modern gun-rights enthusiasts, the obvious context of the preparatory clause and the politics of the time in which it was written must be ignored, or at a minimum, twisted in order to protect their beliefs, their dogma. It's a religious debate in form, if not in function.

    And that's why I really do try to stay out of SA debates - they're a waste of time and effort.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Do I need to type slower?

    You can't propose solutions if you can't recognize the problem.
    actually everyone knows what the problems are. liberals who want to punish gun owners with gun bans or other stupid restrictions pretend that guns are the problem but never have any rational solutions. the reason why is that solving or preventing crime is only a pre textual motivation. the real motivation is to punish people for their politics.
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