So to challenge anyone to present those statistics is impossible and cannot be done.
What is the real opportunity is to change the culture in the USA over long period of time away from such a heavy dominance of guns in that same culture. And that will require all sorts of measures both legal and social and will take a great deal of effort and time to do. Only when the USA has a culture that lessens the appeal of the gun itself and our reliance upon it, will we see real changes.
And that is one of the purposes of gun control legislation - to make us less of a gun centric society.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers
Watched the first court appearance at 9 tonight on BBC news 24 where the suspected killer stood impassively while the relatives stood and forgave him his actions.
What amazing people, I know tensions are high in the US over the whole black lives matter thing, these people's dignity and hurt touched me tonight and I hope there are no riots or increases in tension over these senseless killings. Personally I hope he isn't executed but has to rot his life away in prison knowing that his attempt to bring about racial war fails.
Thoughts are with the families, I don't know if I could forgive.
Find Corrie McKeague, missing RAF serviceman.
Originally Posted by Breibart journo Milo Yiannopoulos (this is ironic because "race realists" exist)
Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.
andChanges in gun laws may or may not achieve a reduction in crime.andAnd that is one of the purposes of gun control legislation - to make us less of a gun centric society.and saying that we need gun laws to prevent these events, and people shouldn't own guns and conservatives are responsible nonsense that these two are spouting. You statements are your opinions. I am sure you have given that some thought and it is well worded. It is not an opinion I share, but I respect that and would welcome an actual discussion. The nonsense they are spouting as fact and refusing to even attempt to substantiate is completely different.Only when the USA has a culture that lessens the appeal of the gun itself and our reliance upon it, will we see real changes.
What are you saying the problem is?
For the record, if you keep replying and not saying anything we aren't going to get anywhere. You are making claims, but you are refusing to actually discuss it. Explain what you are saying and why you think it will work.
Jon Stewart on last night's Daily Show:
I honestly have nothing other than just sadness once again that we have to peer into the abyss of the depraved violence that we do to each other and the nexus of a just gaping racial wound that will not heal, yet we pretend doesn’t exist. And I’m confident, though, that by acknowledging it, by staring into that and seeing it for what it is, we still won’t do jack s—. Yeah. That’s us.
And that’s the part that blows my mind. I don’t want to get into the political argument of the guns and things. But what blows my mind is the disparity of response between when we think people that are foreign are going to kill us, and us killing ourselves.
If this had been what we thought was Islamic terrorism, it would fit into our — we invaded two countries and spent trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives and now fly unmanned death machines over five or six different countries, all to keep Americans safe. We got to do whatever we can. We’ll torture people. We gotta do whatever we can to keep Americans safe.
Nine people shot in a church. What about that? “Hey, what are you gonna do? Crazy is as crazy is, right?” That’s the part that I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around, and you know it. You know that it’s going to go down the same path. “This is a terrible tragedy.” They’re already using the nuanced language of lack of effort for this. This is a terrorist attack. This is a violent attack on the Emanuel Church in South Carolina, which is a symbol for the black community. It has stood in that part of Charleston for 100 and some years and has been attacked viciously many times, as many black churches have.
I heard someone on the news say “Tragedy has visited this church.” This wasn’t a tornado. This was a racist. This was a guy with a Rhodesia badge on his sweater. You know, so the idea that — you know, I hate to even use this pun, but this one is black and white. There’s no nuance here.
And we’re going to keep pretending like, “I don’t get it. What happened? This one guy lost his mind.” But we are steeped in that culture in this country and we refuse to recognize it, and I cannot believe how hard people are working to discount it. In South Carolina, the roads that black people drive on are named for Confederate generals who fought to keep black people from being able to drive freely on that road. That’s insanity. That’s racial wallpaper. That’s — that’s — you can’t allow that, you know.
Nine people were shot in a black church by a white guy who hated them, who wanted to start some kind of civil war. The Confederate flag flies over South Carolina, and the roads are named for Confederate generals, and the white guy’s the one who feels like his country is being taken away from him. We’re bringing it on ourselves. And that’s the thing. Al-Qaeda, all those guys, ISIS, they’re not s— compared to the damage that we can apparently do to ourselves on a regular basis.
So our guest tonight is an incredible person who suffered unspeakable violence by extremists, and her perseverance and determination through that to continue on is an incredible inspiration. And to be quite honest with you, I don’t think there’s anyone else in the world I would rather talk to tonight than Malala. So that’s what we’re going to do. And sorry about no jokes.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.
The "culture" of South Carolina was in no way, shape, or form connected to this man's actions.
I mean... Hell, man! The little sh*t was wearing a jacket with the flags of two nations that don't even exist on the same continent as the Southeastern United States on it.
What on God's green Earth does that have to do with a Confederate flag being flown over the state house, or a few roads being named after Confederate generals?
Should we cover our history in politically correct "white wash" simply because there's an off chance that some fringe lunatic might take it the wrong way? I'm sorry, but no. The very idea is absurd.
There is, quite frankly, no real evidence to suggest that's what even happened here to begin with.
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