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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    And you can't credibly make statements about what "scruffiest rednecks" believe about this incident unless you've spoken to every one of them in the state about it. Otherwise, you're making a generalization based on a small biased sample.
    By that logic: He can much better than you can.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I would agree with this.



    I would deny this. By far the majority of conservatives are not white racists and do not cater to them.

    I would agree that most white racists tend to conservative in their lean, however, I would also state that most terrorists overall (which white supremists are) tend to lean left. You can find plenty of both. Extremism is extremism regardless of your lean.
    If you agree with the statements of Mithros, then you must, by extension, believe that liberals and Democrats cater to black racists. I'm not prepared to agree with anyone who believes either party "caters" to racists who may, on balance, support the policies of one party over another.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a worthless response. Bundy worked for the GOP, Gacy was actually an official and the point was, that there are plenty of LW serial killers. and the group that kills the most people illegally also votes democrat 95% of the time

    but lets stick to the topic. blaming any group for this murderer is premature
    Too bad this thread isn't about serial killers then perhaps your own posts wouldn't look so stupid. Btw, Ted Kaczynski hated technology and thought it would turn people into left wingers. Just sayin.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You clearly don't understand the meaning of terrorism, racism, and/or political ideology since you're trying to conflate the three as one.
    Terrorists in the middle East fill their youngers' heads with bull**** and then use them to carry out their heinous deads. This young one clearly had his head filled with with bull**** about a coming racewar then carried out the deed. Seems like the main difference in what to call such acts is in fact race based.

    Lord knows if a Muslim walked into that. Church and laid waist to those lives there be no hesitation about what conservatives would be calling it. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing what the poor shooter's mental state was at the time.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Are you really trying to pin rapes and murders on a single political affiliation? You could come up with huge lists from either side for any crime. What is the point of this?

    Why don't you follow the discussion and find out?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you agree with the statements of Mithros, then you must, by extension, believe that liberals and Democrats cater to black racists. I'm not prepared to agree with anyone who believes either party "caters" to racists who may, on balance, support the policies of one party over another.
    If you read the whole post I agreed with part of it. I explicitily stated I did not agree that anyone is catering to racists.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    You missed the point I was making with the other poster, who understood and agreed with me. I said that it makes no difference whether you commit pre-meditated murder as a hate crime or just first-degree murder. The penalties for either crime are the same, either execution or life imprisonment, so why have a hate crime law? It's totally absurd. Murder has always been wrong no matter what you call it.
    In cases this extreme there may be little practical difference. But not all cases are this extreme.

    As a culture we have prided ourselves on protecting the freedom of people to be who they are, worship whom they will, speak with freedom and live with dignity. Murder based on race, creed, etc is even more disruptive to our social structure than murder alone.

    I read the double standard bugs you.. I get it. I just think it's so far from the POINT of today it doesn't really matter.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's not bigotry to say that right wing conservatism has a racism problem. Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives. Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

    There IS a racism problem inside right wing conservative circles just like there's a terrorism problem within fundamentalist Islam.



    Oh yes it is!

    Especially when you offer a picture to back up the bigoted claim, and not one single sociological study even hinting that the right is any more bigoted than the left. And, sir, in my experience and the blind attitude expressed in your post, I would say a possibly even bigger problem, only aimed at a different hate target.

    What all Canadians know, is that everything, everything in America is race. Everything. Denzel Washington cannot be just a great actor, he has to be a "black" actor. What many of us know is that Americans hate each other, right vs left, Democrat vs Republican, them vs us. I, a long standing liberal who has supported causes you guys are getting arround to talking about immediately gets labelled a "con" or "neo con" simply for taking a stand similar to conservatives. That's bigotry with a capital ****ing "B".

    We have ideological differences, not death threats over ****ing pizza. If there was ever an outright example of left wing hate that was it, and the fact I saw not one left winger in here denounce it. The left cannot point a bigoted finger at bigotry and claim the other guys are guilty.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why don't you follow the discussion and find out?
    That clears everything up. Good show. You are a master debater. Help yourself to a cookie.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't realize Crue Cab was your father. Does he know?
    Ha Ha you're so funny. Not.

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