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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If anything, it could be said that the left's mischaracterization of voter I.D. laws are to blame. You are the only ones erroneously claiming they are racially motivated. Leftys lie, people die.
    What we should know is the rules help the GOP - that's why red states adopted them at far higher rates than blue states. They're not stupid, so they clearly think the rules changes benefit their candidates or they wouldn't do them. And Democrats wouldn't oppose them if they thought the rules were neutral or helped democrats win.

    I don't think they are "racially" motivated except that they target democratic voters, and the most reliable block of democratic voters are black. If it was poor whites living in the inner cities, and they voted 90%+ for democrats, the same rules accomplish the same thing - drive down democratic voters.

    And vote ID laws were often or usually paired with other changes that simply made it more difficult to register, shortened the registration period, made registration drives all but illegal, shortened early voting, made it more inconvenient for the poor (e.g. all the weekday hours between 9-5, fewer weekend early voting days), but for the most part didn't touch absentee voting, where almost all the actual "voter fraud" happens but which is done mostly by GOP voters.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. The quoted words and intentions of Republican and Pennsylvania power broker Mike Turzai are proof of Republican policies



    Your claim that "the vast majority of poor white people in America" are Republican voters needs some serious proof before I would even consider giving your question any serious consideration of an answer. Do you have it?

    I will even help you get started. Here are the official poverty level figures for the USA

    2015 Poverty Guidelines

    Now take those and show me how the "vast majority" of white folks living in poverty are voting Republican. And this time I will be the one waiting for the evidence.
    Which part do you dispute? That the majority of the poor in America are white or that the majority of the white poor vote Republican?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Which part do you dispute? That the majority of the poor in America are white or that the majority of the white poor vote Republican?
    Your statement was that the majority of poor whites in America vote Republican - you even used the word "VAST MAJORITY" which clearly implies big numbers even far more than just a simple 50% plus one majority. So lets see it. I provided you with the poverty income levels to help you.

    here again is your statement with the key part bolded so you can spot it rather easily

    Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh dear, it is heartening to learn that there has never been any racism in my country, nor, what was it, "state enforced white supremacy".

    I guess the history of how her Majesty's Commonwealth government eradicated natives? Hmm? There was no suppression of the French in Quebec for 150 years? We have had no gun related multiple homicides? And it is really good to learn that Canada never sent it's natives to concentration camps, allowed the systemic rape and torture of native children for 100 years into the 1970's. Yes, indeed, we are so pure and clean.
    Sorry that I misstated the point. I don't go into threads and tell Canadians what the racial climate is in CANADA because I don't live there and am totally ignorant about it. But a person living in the NE and a Canadian are posting on this thread that those of us who live in the South, where they've never spent more than a few vacation days if that, are mischaracterizing the environment here.

    Look, Americans know squat about Canada, they know more about Iraq than what happens next door, and every time a lefty winger weeds into the debate they comp;ete fools of themselves...
    You're right, I don't, and all I was trying to demonstrate was if you want to make claims about the SOUTH, don't do it from 800 or 1,000 miles away and tell those of us who have lived here our entire lives what it is like here.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You know, while I probably agree more than disagree with the sentiment, can't you wait until the bodies are at least cold to start using it for your favorite political position?
    Yes, as though we see any such restraint by anybody else advancing their own memes around here!
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Or the Polytechnique shootings in Montreal, Quebec Canada, where a lone gunman stared killing women. Canada where people consider murder rude.

    But, hey, a president known for fabrication and lying above all else says hate is only available in America, and he should know.

    Yep that darn old constitution is causing all this chaos and death that never happens anywhere else. But then he gets his information from television.
    Oh! Did this happen this year?

    Oh, no. It happened in.....1989.

    Thanks for unwittingly emphasizing my point.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your statement was that the majority of poor whites in America vote Republican - you even used the word "VAST MAJORITY" which clearly implies big numbers even far more than just a simple 50% plus one majority. So lets see it. I provided you with the poverty income levels to help you.

    here again is your statement with the key part bolded so you can spot it rather easily
    Just check out the demographics of Obama's election victory in 2012 or go back to any Presidential election for the past thirty years or more. In 2012, Obama's coalition consisted of about 98% of the black vote, which was larger than the white vote, the non-black minority vote, and about 39% of the white vote, that white vote consisting of urban, college educated, middle to upper class whites.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ica-republican
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What is different about Canada is not laws, not how many guns, not how many shootings, but the social fabric, the people. Guns are irrelevant with you have created a violent society. And DO NOT try to shoulder that over to the gun toting right. We have seen in recent weeks, a fervent, rabid left makind death threats to pizza shop owners and calling for the murder of a shooting suspect.

    The problem is not you laws, the problem is in the mirror
    Well, it is just demonstrably untrue that our gun laws are irrelevant. More guns ==> more gun deaths, by murder and suicide and accidents. Comparing us to Canada doesn't help much - I'm guessing the rural areas of the U.S. are a lot like the vast rural areas in Canada with regard to crime.

    My own view is the "guns" horse left the barn decades ago at least and so I don't spend a lot of time debating gun control. Bottom line is if you want a gun in the U.S. you can get one, and no amount of laws can really do more than make a small dent on the margins on the rate of gun deaths. We've got the 2A, like it or not, and 100s of millions of firearms in circulation, like it or not, and we'll always be different in that regard than most of Europe who are our economic peers.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    But it should be a slam dunk in SC since the police already labeled it a hate crime.

    Hate crimes against white police officers in Ferguson, Mo and other cities are occurring all the time, with those perpetrators seeming swept under the rug, yet there will be a rush to convict this white kid for hate.
    First of all, I see nothing wrong with "there will be a rush to convict this white kid for hate". If that helps get him &#^!canned I think it's fine.

    Secondly to your mention of a double standard... yes there are double standards. And again if this goes harder for this murderer that will be fine in my opinion. For every double standard that is unfair to white middle aged men (like me, for example) there are 10 double standards which are unfair to black people. It is an interesting thing to argue about, but it just doesn't apply to this situation.

    Why would we complain that this murderer gets treated worse than some black counterpart might? It is the RIGHT thing for the book to come down hard in either case right? So justice will be served well here if your theory is right.

    It makes exactly ZERO difference to this case... which is about what happens to HIM not to theoretical black perps.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Just check out the demographics of Obama's election victory in 2012 or go back to any Presidential election for the past thirty years or more. In 2012, Obama's coalition consisted of about 98% of the black vote, which was larger than the white vote, the non-black minority vote, and about 39% of the white vote, that white vote consisting of urban, college educated, middle to upper class whites.

    Working class voters: why America's poor are willing to vote Republican | US news | The Guardian
    BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!! That loud and rather annoying noise is a buzzer telling you that you DID NOT provide the data requested. You stated quite clearly that

    Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
    Right now it is immaterial who Blacks voted for or who college educated folks voted for or upperclass whites voted for or three legged green albino's voted for with incomes of more than $85,000 a year. Your statement was not about them. Your claim was about THE VAST MAJORITY OF POOR WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA and you claimed the voted REPUBLICAN.

    So lets see the hard evidence on that. I even tried to get you started by providing you with the poverty statistics.

    So lets see it and forget about all the other smoke and mirrors. I have no interest in watching your lovely assistant bend over in the low cut dress while you are switching the other one in the box before you saw it in half. Lets just see what you claimed and the hard evidence for it.

    Or you could admit you simply said something wrong and we can leave it at that.

    And I read your linked story. Not one line in it - not one statistic in it - stated that a majority of poor whites vote Republican. You presented an attempt at evidence which does not even provide one iota of proof for your claim.

    If I am wrong about the content of your linked article - do more than just link to it - quote the relevant part which states that a majority of poor white voters in the USA voted Republican. You cannot because it does not.
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