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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, your bigoted interpretations and slantings are proof of Republican policies.
    NO. The quoted words and intentions of Republican and Pennsylvania power broker Mike Turzai are proof of Republican policies

    Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
    Your claim that "the vast majority of poor white people in America" are Republican voters needs some serious proof before I would even consider giving your question any serious consideration of an answer. Do you have it?

    I will even help you get started. Here are the official poverty level figures for the USA

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/15poverty.cfm

    Now take those and show me how the "vast majority" of white folks living in poverty are voting Republican. And this time I will be the one waiting for the evidence.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not sure why you reposted your Onion piece in a reply to me.

    And I guess you're unfamiliar with the Dunblane (Scotland) school massacre or the Norwegian killer who shot all those campers a few years ago or the mall shootings in Nairobi, or the even more recent mass murders in Paris.
    I guess I reposted it because you apparently didnt read (or comprehend) it.

    You have just picked out a couple incidents over years, out of roughly - what - two dozen countries. Let me pull pieces out of the story again, to emphasize the point, which you missed in a spectacular fashion.

    echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years....
    Thats half the mass shootings in the past fifty years. You may not be aware of this but the US has 5% of the worlds population.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not sure why you reposted your Onion piece in a reply to me.

    And I guess you're unfamiliar with the Dunblane (Scotland) school massacre or the Norwegian killer who shot all those campers a few years ago or the mall shootings in Nairobi, or the even more recent mass murders in Paris.
    Or the Polytechnique shootings in Montreal, Quebec Canada, where a lone gunman stared killing women. Canada where people consider murder rude.

    But, hey, a president known for fabrication and lying above all else says hate is only available in America, and he should know.

    Yep that darn old constitution is causing all this chaos and death that never happens anywhere else. But then he gets his information from television.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If anything, it could be said that the left's mischaracterization of voter I.D. laws are to blame. You are the only ones erroneously claiming they are racially motivated. Leftys lie, people die.
    Republican State House leader Mike Turzai of Pennsylvania said what he said and nothing you or any other right wing apologist can change that. He clearly said that the change voter laws was going to deliver the state for Romney.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Republican State House leader Mike Turzai of Pennsylvania said what he said and nothing you or any other right wing apologist can change that. He clearly said that the change voter laws was going to deliver the state for Romney.
    And he is the official spokesperson for every one of these laws in every state where they have been adopted? Ummmm.....no.

    Not to mention, Romney lost PA. Isn't that proof that these laws don't suppress voters?

    BTW, we have voter a I.D. law here in Ohio. Guess who won here in 2012?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, your bigoted interpretations and slantings are proof of Republican policies. Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
    The voting rules aren't an attack on poor people, but poor people who live in cities and don't drive. In my state, most poor whites are rural and drive, and so have the required ID and they DO mostly vote GOP. Most people who live in the cities and don't drive are black. I don't even think the election consultants care about race except that blacks vote mostly democratic and so any policies that drive down their voting numbers helps the GOP. It's just numbers.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not what he said at all. What is just true is it's different here than where you live, or in Canada, and it definitely relates to CENTURIES of institutionalized racism and state enforced white supremacy in this region that didn't officially end until the 1960s (my lifetime) and still exists because many people brought up in that culture are still alive and haven't changed all that much, and many of them handed down their own biases to their children born in the 1960s and 70s. But that attitude is slowly and literally dying out, which is a good thing (not that people are dying, but that the ingrained racism they learned as children is...).

    A good example is that Baptist Church in Kentucky that voted to ban interracial marriage in their church and wouldn't allow the black boyfriend/fiance to sing with the choir. The vote was 9-6 for the ban, but 25 or more didn't vote and so were in Glen's formulation "tolerant" of the racists in their church. The vote is probably flipped in almost all churches now, but various polls have shown that in this decade (the 2010s), between 20-40% of conservative whites support racist interracial marriage bans, so the belief isn't rare at all.

    The only surprising thing to me is that the church had a vote, and a majority was willing to put their racism on the record. But even with that the ringleader had to hilariously disavow racism as the motive (of course not....), so the culture is absolutely changing.


    Oh dear, it is heartening to learn that there has never been any racism in my country, nor, what was it, "state enforced white supremacy".

    I guess the history of how her Majesty's Commonwealth government eradicated natives? Hmm? There was no suppression of the French in Quebec for 150 years? We have had no gun related multiple homicides? And it is really good to learn that Canada never sent it's natives to concentration camps, allowed the systemic rape and torture of native children for 100 years into the 1970's. Yes, indeed, we are so pure and clean.

    Look, Americans know squat about Canada, they know more about Iraq than what happens next door, and every time a lefty winger weeds into the debate they comp;ete fools of themselves...

    One - Canada's gun laws are far more lax than most US jurisdictions. We have a fraction of the over all crime rate. We are a nation that likes to obey laws, smoke pot and only beat the **** out of others in hockey games.

    What is different about Canada is not laws, not how many guns, not how many shootings, but the social fabric, the people. Guns are irrelevant with you have created a violent society. And DO NOT try to shoulder that over to the gun toting right. We have seen in recent weeks, a fervent, rabid left makind death threats to pizza shop owners and calling for the murder of a shooting suspect.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    And he is the official spokesperson for every one of these laws in every state where they have been adopted? Ummmm.....no.

    Not to mention, Romney lost PA. Isn't that proof that these laws don't suppress voters?

    BTW, we have voter a I.D. law here in Ohio. Guess who won here in 2012?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post

    Look, Americans know squat about Canada, they know more about Iraq than what happens next door, and every time a lefty winger weeds into the debate they comp;ete fools of themselves...
    Not entirely true. Some don't, some do. Same as Canadians knowing about America.

    What is different about Canada is not laws, not how many guns, not how many shootings, but the social fabric, the people. Guns are irrelevant with you have created a violent society. And DO NOT try to shoulder that over to the gun toting right. We have seen in recent weeks, a fervent, rabid left makind death threats to pizza shop owners and calling for the murder of a shooting suspect.

    The problem is not you laws, the problem is in the mirror
    I absolutely agree with this 100% with all of this.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    And he is the official spokesperson for every one of these laws in every state where they have been adopted? Ummmm.....no.

    Not to mention, Romney lost PA. Isn't that proof that these laws don't suppress voters?

    BTW, we have voter a I.D. law here in Ohio. Guess who won here in 2012?

    WOW!!!!! One of the key and more important Pennsylvania state officials responsible for the passage of new laws in that states legislature comes right out and tells the world what the new voter ID law is going to do politically in that election and somehow that is not proof of his intent????!!!!!!!!

    WOW!!!!! But I really know what they mean when they say that DENIAL is not a river in Egypt.

    And it does not matter that Romney lost the state despite the efforts of GOP party leaders to use voter ID to deliver it for him. That was their intent and it was clear and unmistakable as their own words admit to. Their inability to deliver the state speaks to greater problems the GOP has in that state. And the same for other states the GOP may have lost as well.
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