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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    But still white on white no?
    Had the vic been straight, it would not.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You stated that there is "no connection". First, that statement is a completed judgement. Second, racism - like every other 'ism' out there - plays a part in politics, not only on a national or regional level, but also on a personal level.

    Third, when I connect conservative politics to racism, I'm normally referring to Southern Conservative politics...and yes sir, in the Deep South, politics and racism are deeply entwined indeed. Anyone who says differently does so out either out of ignorance or is being intentionally misleading.

    Now, does all that absolutely guarantee that conservative politics led to the massacre? No. But modern conservative politics encourages a societal climate that makes such tragedies more likely. Here's a great example: in the 1950's and 1960's, did the conservative politicians in the Deep South condone lynchings? Of course not - those racist politicians condemned the lynchings again and again. But did their openly racist statements and policies make those same lynchings more likely? Yep, sure did.

    So the answer to the question of whether conservative politics led to the massacre in SC is: at least to some extent, almost certainly.
    More bigoted nonsense. You're right, I did say there's no connection to political ideology - there isn't, at this point in time - to suggest there is, is simply your attempt to make it political so that, as usual, the left can hammer away at conservatives as ideologically racist. People on the right, such as myself, simply dismiss you as a bigot when we see and hear such statements as yours. You talk about modern conservatism and then talk about the 1950s and 60s - geeze.

    If and when it becomes clear that this 21yr old was somehow steeped in conservative politics and had some grand master plan to rid the world of liberals, then I'll admit to it. Until then, I'm not playing your game. What we know is that this young man was/is a racist and this young man had issues with black men having relationships with white women. Some have speculated that he experienced a black man taking away a white girl he liked - I don't know - but clearly from what we've seen he had a great deal of unnatural animus towards black people.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    More bigoted nonsense. You're right, I did say there's no connection to political ideology - there isn't, at this point in time - to suggest there is, is simply your attempt to make it political so that, as usual, the left can hammer away at conservatives as ideologically racist. People on the right, such as myself, simply dismiss you as a bigot when we see and hear such statements as yours. You talk about modern conservatism and then talk about the 1950s and 60s - geeze.

    If and when it becomes clear that this 21yr old was somehow steeped in conservative politics and had some grand master plan to rid the world of liberals, then I'll admit to it. Until then, I'm not playing your game. What we know is that this young man was/is a racist and this young man had issues with black men having relationships with white women. Some have speculated that he experienced a black man taking away a white girl he liked - I don't know - but clearly from what we've seen he had a great deal of unnatural animus towards black people.
    Even if he was "steeped in conservative politics", the fact that he took away the wrong message is only an indictment of him personally. Conservative politics in no way promotes racial mass murder.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Racism and white supremacy are indeed extremist views. His political agenda - based on photo's and reported comments he made - was the denial of power to minorities he hated via their destruction and death. We seem to have some glaring examples of just that sort of tactic throughout history by other fanatic political extremists.
    Okay - sounds fair - now show me which parts of conservative ideology or the Republican party platform that promote the "denial of power to minorities" and "their destruction and death". I'll wait.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You're neglecting the fact that SC and the rest of the Deep South are still vehemently racist. The guy didn't start a race war; a race war already exists in that part of the country.

    Despite the image SC officials are trying to portray to the rest of the country, the perp who shot up the church will be hailed as a hero by most of the Whites living in SC.
    That's a huge and unfair exaggeration. As I've said there still exists a significant racist element in the South, but the share of people hailing this hateful coward as a hero is not more than low single digit percentages and more likely approaching zero percent.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Even if he was "steeped in conservative politics", the fact that he took away the wrong message is only an indictment of him personally. Conservative politics in no way promotes racial mass murder.
    Dylann Roof is steeped in the crazy, the individual crazy. He happened to fixate on race just as other mass murderers have fixated on girls who rejected them or schoolmates who were mean to them. Who knows what goes on in the twisted mind of a mass murderer except a shared need to be noticed?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Oh contraire mon Pere. I seem to remember a white killed by a white for being a homosexual was deemed a hate crime.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Okay - sounds fair - now show me which parts of conservative ideology or the Republican party platform that promote the "denial of power to minorities" and "their destruction and death". I'll wait.
    First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

    As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

    Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

    here is the evidence

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77811.html

    Pennsylvania state House Republican leader Mike Turzai said this weekend that the state’s new voter ID law will “allow” Mitt Romney to win the state in November, according to a report.
    “Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said at Saturday’s Republican State Committee meeting, according to PoliticsPA.com.

    Pennsylvania Democratic Party spokesperson Mark Nicastre told the website that the Republican House Majority Leader’s “admission that Voter ID only serves the partisan interests of his party should be shocking, but unfortunately it isn’t. Democrats are focused on protecting Pennsylvanians’ rights to vote, and we are working hard to ensure that everyone who is eligible to vote can vote this fall.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz3dWOhK9BV

    Trying to rig elections - that certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities who are only guilty of voting for the 'wrong' party.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

    As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

    Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

    That certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities.
    So, your bigoted interpretations and slantings are proof of Republican policies. Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

    As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

    Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

    here is the evidence

    Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

    That certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities.
    If anything, it could be said that the left's mischaracterization of voter I.D. laws are to blame. You are the only ones erroneously claiming they are racially motivated. Leftys lie, people die.

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