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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The point is that nine innocent people who were studying the Bible and sharing the Word with this sick young man were then summarily executed in God's house. They haven't even been buried yet, and yet partisans can't wait to point fingers and to gore others' oxen.
    Wrong.

    Just pointing out that mass murder by gunfire is a common occurence in the US, where its virtually unknown in other developed nations. Seems like precisely the time to point out that we may have the power to stop the next one.

    I'll repost for clarity. Yes, it is satirical. Yes, it does not have solutions. But it points to the fact that the solutions can exist, yet 'partisans goring each others oxen' may be precisely why they are not implemented.

    ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

    I'll even reproduce the short story for those who cant bear to click on the link:

    ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

    ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
    Now if you think a bit.... what do other countries have that we dont have? Racism? nope. Mental illness? nope. Angry youth? nope. Hmm... what could it be?
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Glen always paints the south as being racist. He lived there, he knows it, and so on. If someone didn't know anything but what he posted, you would swear that everyone is racist in the south.
    That's not what he said at all. What is just true is it's different here than where you live, or in Canada, and it definitely relates to CENTURIES of institutionalized racism and state enforced white supremacy in this region that didn't officially end until the 1960s (my lifetime) and still exists because many people brought up in that culture are still alive and haven't changed all that much, and many of them handed down their own biases to their children born in the 1960s and 70s. But that attitude is slowly and literally dying out, which is a good thing (not that people are dying, but that the ingrained racism they learned as children is...).

    A good example is that Baptist Church in Kentucky that voted to ban interracial marriage in their church and wouldn't allow the black boyfriend/fiance to sing with the choir. The vote was 9-6 for the ban, but 25 or more didn't vote and so were in Glen's formulation "tolerant" of the racists in their church. The vote is probably flipped in almost all churches now, but various polls have shown that in this decade (the 2010s), between 20-40% of conservative whites support racist interracial marriage bans, so the belief isn't rare at all.

    The only surprising thing to me is that the church had a vote, and a majority was willing to put their racism on the record. But even with that the ringleader had to hilariously disavow racism as the motive (of course not....), so the culture is absolutely changing.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Please support those statements.
    I already did. Apparently, you missed my cite about the 19 racist groups operating in SC.

    And as for cops in SC being allowed to shoot Blacks freely, that's become apparent in the last few months, unless, of course, you're naive enough to believe that the only incidents of this happening are the ones caught on video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    SC is a fine state.
    No it's not. It's a state filled w/the one of the highest number of failing schools and bunch of conservatives who vote for among the most pathetic, corrupt pols in the country.

    If I wanted to go no vacation somewhere, SC would be no. 9000 on my list of places to visit.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not what he said at all. What is just true is it's different here than where you live, or in Canada, and it definitely relates to CENTURIES of institutionalized racism and state enforced white supremacy in this region that didn't officially end until the 1960s (my lifetime) and still exists because many people brought up in that culture are still alive and haven't changed all that much, and many of them handed down their own biases to their children born in the 1960s and 70s. But that attitude is slowly and literally dying out, which is a good thing (not that people are dying, but that the ingrained racism they learned as children is...).

    A good example is that Baptist Church in Kentucky that voted to ban interracial marriage in their church and wouldn't allow the black boyfriend/fiance to sing with the choir. The vote was 9-6 for the ban, but 25 or more didn't vote and so were in Glen's formulation "tolerant" of the racists in their church. The vote is probably flipped in almost all churches now, but various polls have shown that in this decade (the 2010s), between 20-40% of conservative whites support racist interracial marriage bans, so the belief isn't rare at all.

    The only surprising thing to me is that the church had a vote, and a majority was willing to put their racism on the record. But even with that the ringleader had to hilariously disavow racism as the motive (of course not....), so the culture is absolutely changing.
    I'm sure its changing; SC just lags behind the educated segment of the country by about 50 years.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So do we have any new information? Or is it just a bicker fest about guns and racism?
    Good point - any body with any sense knows that both topics are virtually verboten here and will only bring on the mockery and anger of the right wing who see no reason to examine either since it would possibly shine negatively upon some of their allies - if not themselves directly.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Thanks Obama.

    Oh brother!

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I already did. Apparently, you missed my cite about the 19 racist groups operating in SC.

    And as for cops in SC being allowed to shoot Blacks freely, that's become apparent in the last few months, unless, of course, you're naive enough to believe that the only incidents of this happening are the ones caught on video.



    No it's not. It's a state filled w/the one of the highest number of failing schools and bunch of conservatives who vote for among the most pathetic, corrupt pols in the country.

    If I wanted to go no vacation somewhere, SC would be no. 9000 on my list of places to visit.
    And you people still have the temerity to claim "right wing propaganda" is responsible for this type of thing? Your own disinformational propaganda plays no role whatsoever? Why?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm too numb from all the violence. I almost don't care anymore.
    It's called outrage fatique and desenitization.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I already did. Apparently, you missed my cite about the 19 racist groups operating in SC.

    And as for cops in SC being allowed to shoot Blacks freely, that's become apparent in the last few months, unless, of course, you're naive enough to believe that the only incidents of this happening are the ones caught on video.



    No it's not. It's a state filled w/the one of the highest number of failing schools and bunch of conservatives who vote for among the most pathetic, corrupt pols in the country.

    If I wanted to go no vacation somewhere, SC would be no. 9000 on my list of places to visit.
    While I am probably on your side regarding many things on this topic, I must say that my wife and I spent a week in Charleston SC a couple of years ago and it was absolute heaven. We are eager to return. I must also say that nearly every place has some good and some bad about it and it can be heaven or hell depending on lots and lots of things that are there or just might happen there.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    <snip>
    If I wanted to go on vacation somewhere, SC would be no. 9000 on my list of places to visit.

    Despite the horror of the murders in the church, I would recommend a vacation in Charleston - if you are interested in history. There are some fascinating walking tours thru the old sections of the city and very good restaurants scattered thruout. Seriously, check it out.

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