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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Taking all the guns away from law abiding mentally stable and legal gun owners isn't going to address this particular problem.

    If you really want to address the problem of the crazed mentally unstable using guns to randomly kill people, keep guns out of their reach. That would be far more effective at dealing with the root causes of this particular problem.

    Surely you can see the logic and common sense of this.
    If you've ever really paid attention, you'd already know that MOST liberals (including me) do not support total gun bans. MOST liberals do not support taking guns away from "law-abiding mentally-stable, legal gun owners". What we liberals DO support is full gun registration (to minimize gun smuggling and trafficking), outlawing of extended magazines (if that idiot in SC had not had to change mags 5 times, how many more would have died?), mandatory firearm safety training (because we get tired of reading about this and that stupid idiot who killed himself or his wife while cleaning his gun), continued outlawing of automatic weapons, and outlawing of military-grade sniper rifles (because there's absolutely no need for either of those among the civilian populace).

    Personally, I strongly support smart gun tech - and yes, it would work just as well as my fingerprint sensor on my iPhone works, and it would prevent a heck of a lot of kids from killing themselves or their siblings because they found a gun.

    One more thing - if you were to describe exactly what is entailed in the gun-control laws enforced in Israel and Switzerland, you'd find that most liberals would support those laws...and you might find that a heck of a lot of American "gun-rights supporters" would start calling those nations tyrannies.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yep, Gun Control has worked wonders in places like Baltimore, Detroit, Washington DC , St Louis and Chicago... .
    Obviously, you didn't read my post...because included therein was this:

    "And one cannot point to, say, those American cities which have strong gun control laws on the books, because those laws are not enforceable - all one need do is to bring a car full of guns legally bought the next state over."

    Next time, try READING a post before you metaphorically step in it, willya?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Obviously, you didn't read my post...because included therein was this:

    "And one cannot point to, say, those American cities which have strong gun control laws on the books, because those laws are not enforceable - all one need do is to bring a car full of guns legally bought the next state over."

    Next time, try READING a post before you metaphorically step in it, willya?
    Well those cities can repeal those laws and make something more enforceable, that's always an option
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Only in the minds of liberals with a need to attack conservatives are the actions and statements of the alleged killer here fantasized as political. We could just as easily discuss the possibility that young men who have their hair cut using cereal bowls as a guide are prone to mass murder.

    His comments, in my view, were those of a white supremacist who seemed to have grievances against black people, grievances personal to him. Where's the political agenda that he was advancing in what he did and what is known at this time?
    I think what you might be missing is the fact that racism and political beliefs are not mutually exclusive. Try living down in the Deep South sometime and you'll see what we mean. Or you could just re-read about the opposition against the Civil Rights Act in general and segregation in particular in the Deep South.

    What I'm getting at is that it's very, very difficult for someone who hasn't lived there to really understand just how deeply the racism is ingrained in Southern society...where among most whites there, racism is understood and tolerated...and IMO among most whites there aged 40 and over, accepted and even expected...

    ...and this does play very much into their politics.

    That's just the way it is in the Deep South.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well those cities can repeal those laws and make something more enforceable, that's always an option
    Impossible. Re-read what I said, that all one has to do is to drive a car full of firearms legally bought across the state line. The fact that this is so easily and legally done makes any such gun control laws unenforceable for all practical purposes.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If you've ever really paid attention, you'd already know that MOST liberals (including me) do not support total gun bans. MOST liberals do not support taking guns away from "law-abiding mentally-stable, legal gun owners". What we liberals DO support is full gun registration (to minimize gun smuggling and trafficking), outlawing of extended magazines (if that idiot in SC had not had to change mags 5 times, how many more would have died?), mandatory firearm safety training (because we get tired of reading about this and that stupid idiot who killed himself or his wife while cleaning his gun), continued outlawing of automatic weapons, and outlawing of military-grade sniper rifles (because there's absolutely no need for either of those among the civilian populace).

    Personally, I strongly support smart gun tech - and yes, it would work just as well as my fingerprint sensor on my iPhone works, and it would prevent a heck of a lot of kids from killing themselves or their siblings because they found a gun.

    One more thing - if you were to describe exactly what is entailed in the gun-control laws enforced in Israel and Switzerland, you'd find that most liberals would support those laws...and you might find that a heck of a lot of American "gun-rights supporters" would start calling those nations tyrannies.
    So your platform if I translate this to normal English fom the BS you just posted

    1) violate persons fourth amendment right to privacy
    2) ban standard magazines (hehe nice double talk for finding a way to justify banning standard magazines from an incident where someone used a gun with a smaller standard magazine.
    3) continue a ban that has no public safety justification
    4) ban regular rifles with no practical criminal application
    5) cite gun control examples in countries that allow virtually all of what you just advocate banning
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Impossible. Re-read what I said, that all one has to do is to drive a car full of firearms legally bought across the state line. The fact that this is so easily and legally done makes any such gun control laws unenforceable for all practical purposes.
    It is not legal to cross a stateline with guns illegal in another state unless you're transiting through
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I think what you might be missing is the fact that racism and political beliefs are not mutually exclusive. Try living down in the Deep South sometime and you'll see what we mean. Or you could just re-read about the opposition against the Civil Rights Act in general and segregation in particular in the Deep South.

    What I'm getting at is that it's very, very difficult for someone who hasn't lived there to really understand just how deeply the racism is ingrained in Southern society...where among most whites there, racism is understood and tolerated...and IMO among most whites there aged 40 and over, accepted and even expected...

    ...and this does play very much into their politics.

    That's just the way it is in the Deep South.
    We can boil it down simpler, you as a anti rights advocate (becuase there's nothing liberal about demanding the state violate peoples civil rights) do not believe in a total ban, just a regulatory framework so expensive and complicated for so little benefit that no one bothers to do it. Got it
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    So your platform if I translate this to normal English fom the BS you just posted

    1) violate persons fourth amendment right to privacy
    Um, no, required firearm registration does not violate the fourth amendment any more than require vehicle registration.

    2) ban standard magazines (hehe nice double talk for finding a way to justify banning standard magazines from an incident where someone used a gun with a smaller standard magazine.
    I said, ban EXTENDED magazines, not standard mags, guy. Please don't try to twist my words. If the idiot in SC hadn't had to change clips five times, how many more would have died?

    3) continue a ban that has no public safety justification
    Are you referring to my support of mandatory firearm safety training? And you're seriously claiming this has no public safety justification? Dude...you really should read the news sometime.

    4) ban regular rifles with no practical criminal application
    Did I say REGULAR rifles? Of course not - that's just you making up crap. Of course, REGULAR rifles are among the LEAST problematic firearms. But there is NO justification for the public to have AUTOMATIC firearms or military-grade sniper rifles.

    5) cite gun control examples in countries that allow virtually all of what you just advocate banning
    I believe you'll find that just about ALL first-world democracies - including Switzerland and Israel - already do have laws with all the above requirements.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It is not legal to cross a stateline with guns illegal in another state unless you're transiting through
    And when you have personally crossed state lines, how many times has your car been searched prior to allowing you across? And what, exactly, do you think would happen if a state started searching every single car (or truck or semi or boat or plane) that crossed its borders?

    In other words, laws are not effective laws if they can't be ENFORCED. This is called "common sense"...which, unfortunately, ain't so common.
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