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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course the answer is none. but the gun banners will hem and haw and try to smear gun owners and blame us for this yet again
    Yes. The true victims here are gun owners.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Really, and how many loggers have been injured and/or killed from tree spiking?


    "...One injury possibly from tree spiking occurred in the United States in 1987. California mill worker George Alexander was seriously injured when the bandsaw he was operating was shattered by either an old nail or a tree spike. This led many progressive Earth First! groups to denounce tree spiking.[1] Other activists[citation needed] were led to either reject this form of sabotage entirely, or take some precautions, such as putting warning signs in the area where the trees are being spiked. Tree spiking is condemned by opponents of eco-terrorism who claim it is potentially dangerous to loggers or mill-workers,[2] although only this one injury possibly resulting from tree spiking has been widely reported.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking


    "...In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

    By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

    (Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)

    Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors...."

    Opinion: In U.S., right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists - CNN.com


    Like I said, leftwing terrorists usually just attack property and rightwing terrorists usually just attack people.
    you confuse INTENT with efficiency and CNN-is a left wing propaganda site
    read it-OPINION
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind us of what law would have stopped that since you want to make this into a gun ban issue
    Once again, I'll post this. Seems like I have to look this up every few months.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/no-w...ere-this-36131
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yes. The true victims here are gun owners.
    rather than derail this thread with more anti gun owner idiocy, why not tell us what laws would have stopped this shooting since you clearly implied this was a failure of not having the right laws in place.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    the onion-seriously?

    complete fail
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Lefist terror groups such as the Black Panthers and SLA were willing to harm people.

    The main difference is that leftist economics is a fundamentally flawed system. As a result, there is very little interest in leftist economic systems and the hard core leftist extremists cannot replace themselves. Most are now 60 plus years old and there are very few new Black Panthers and SLA types willing to continue the "struggle".

    Meanwhile, right wing economics is not a failed system and there are many people interested in right wing economic theories. a small number turn to extremist groups. Right wing extremists can replace themselves- but only to degree (once there were tens of thousands of hard core KKK types. Today, there are probably only several hundred truly committed members). Thus, as there are more right wing terrorists out there, there is more right wing violence against individuals.
    New Black panthers are a "leftist" group?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the onion-seriously?

    complete fail
    Only if you are irony-challenged.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Name any new gun control law that has been proposed in the past decade that would have actually prevented this.
    There is no law that we can know for a fact would have prevented this specific shooting. That just isn't how that works. A good gun control law would be one that would reduce the frequency of shootings, not render a specific shooting impossible. Maybe the best possible gun control law would reduce these things 10% or maybe a collection of 20 different gun control laws would each reduce the incidence of these things 1%. Or maybe not. But that's the way to think about it- percentages of reduction in the incidence, not would scenario X be prevented. It's impossible to answer the latter type of question because who knows what else would have happened. Maybe the gun control law makes it illegal for the dad to give the gun as a gift. Would he have just done it anyways? Maybe, maybe not. There is no way to know. If he hadn't given him the gun, would Dylann have gotten a gun somewhere else? No way to know. But, we can know that if gifting guns were made illegal, for example, some percentage of gun gifters wouldn't do it and some percentage of shooters who got their guns as gifts wouldn't get a gun another way, and some percentage of those gun recipients who wouldn't have gotten a gun another way would have killed somebody. Whether an anti-gun-gifting law would be a good idea would depend on what those percentages are and whether they are high enough to outweigh the impediment to law abiding gun gifters and recipients.

    IMO, the way we should approach gun control questions is to look at different countries and states, see which measures seem to have actually been effective, and see what impediments they have actually created for lawful gun owners, and weigh it out. The whole gun debate in the US all gets way too emotional, ideological and generally silly IMO. I see it as a statistical research problem more than an ideological problem and I think that if we approached it that way, we'd all end up a lot better off because of it.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Only if you are irony-challenged.
    you were asked by Goshin and I to tell us what laws you think would have stopped this killing after you again started to whine about gun ownership. You failed and posting that idiocy from the Onion is evidence you don't have an answer to the problem you complain about
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    New Black panthers are a "leftist" group?
    Yes, read their economic theories.

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