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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Just some random comments here. MLKIII appeared on O'Reilly tonight and he and O'Reilly talked about not letting ourselves be divided the way we are being divided these days. There are those who wish for nothing more than for there to be division among the American brethren.

    Megyn Kelly's policy is to not mention by name the Dylann Roofs once they've been apprehended, and she blurs out their images too. Over and over today the point has been made that Roof let one lady live because he planned to kill himself but wanted the world to know what he'd done.

    Now he's in jail, and he's not ever going to get out. Maybe we can hope that there won't be books written or movies-for-TV made.

    Agreed.

    This incident is just so appalling on many levels. In and of itself it was just terrible. We haven't had anything like this happen in the state in some time, and this was just... words don't suffice.


    But on another level, after that terrible police shooting (murder) in Charleston a few weeks ago, and now this... I'm hoping it doesn't have a major negative impact on race relations in my state.

    We've come so far in the past couple decades. I remember how things were 30-40 years ago... and how they are today, with blacks and whites living and working side by side, with so much more acceptance for everyone in most places... white grandparents in their 70s walking around Walmart holding their mixed race grandchildren, you wouldn't have seen that 25 years ago. We've come so far, and we've been getting along so well... I don't want this to ruin it all, dammit.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Really!?

    Why would it not be a hate crime if the church was white?

    Does not all murder require hate?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    Yes, really. When I made the comment it was before any facts had been established. So going with there where no facts, assuming a hate crime was premature at the time. Considering population aspects of Charleston and South Carolina in general. Charleston is 70% white, 25% Black, other 5% is Asian, Hispanic and "other". So right off the bat if you are black you have 25% chance of being a victim of a crime just as whites have 70% chance.

    Murder doesn't require hate. Murder is a broad term for the act of taking someone's life. If we equate Murder to hate.. then every US Military personal, every Government employee and the 3 branches of Government are by your definition racist hate mongers as they commit and are accomplices to the act of murder if you or anybody rejects their "justification" for the action. Hence equating murder to hate is position which proves very tricky.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    It's funny to see the right wingers here rambling on about "not letting a tragedy go to waste", and then going on rants about Obama and his wife, trying to insinuate that the racially motivated aspect of the shooting is somehow his fault.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And yet their crimes are equally dastardly, and they're all terrorists.

    Property damage vs mass murder. Does that really seem equal to you?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Agreed.

    This incident is just so appalling on many levels. In and of itself it was just terrible. We haven't had anything like this happen in the state in some time, and this was just... words don't suffice.


    But on another level, after that terrible police shooting (murder) in Charleston a few weeks ago, and now this... I'm hoping it doesn't have a major negative impact on race relations in my state.

    We've come so far in the past couple decades. I remember how things were 30-40 years ago... and how they are today, with blacks and whites living and working side by side, with so much more acceptance for everyone in most places... white grandparents in their 70s walking around Walmart holding their mixed race grandchildren, you wouldn't have seen that 25 years ago. We've come so far, and we've been getting along so well... I don't want this to ruin it all, dammit.
    Neither do I. Let's watch and see who continues to foment divisive trouble and who calls for all of us to come together--and stand together.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If you are a white person, then you have the privilege to say that. You have the privilege of turning off the TV or staying away from news websites, and for you, the problem will go away.

    Blacks do not have this privilege. Their lives are directly, negatively impacted by racism in media. So no, until that racism is acknowledged, addressed, and cure, then no, this issue is not going to go away.
    I'm multi-racial, not that it matters. This whole country is falling victim to commercial media sensationalism. They're selling pitchforks and torches at a hell of a profit.

    Well that is the million-dollar question! Why haven't they moved on from a time when we have been bombarded with messages, overt and covert, that blacks and Latinos are somehow "less than" whites, whether that comes to violence, money management, personal responsibility, or anything else?
    This is rediculous, of course.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Property damage vs mass murder. Does that really seem equal to you?
    that distinction has not been established as a fact
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    It's funny to see the right wingers here rambling on about "not letting a tragedy go to waste", and then going on rants about Obama and his wife, trying to insinuate that the racially motivated aspect of the shooting is somehow his fault.
    No, "right-wingers" haven't been rambling on about not letting a tragedy go to waste; I am the person who paraphrased the Alinsky quote. And I have not gone on a rant about either of the Obamas.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Property damage vs mass murder. Does that really seem equal to you?
    Moot, why don't you provide us with a list of mass murderers and what their political leans were?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Moot, why don't you provide us with a list of mass murderers and what their political leans were?
    as I recall, John Wayne Gacy (the basement dwellers fame) was a Democrat party official in Chicago. The zebra killer(s) were hardly conservatives either.
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