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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    You'll have to explain why your comments alone telegraph you, with at least 95% certainty, that you are white.
    Actually it'd be more around 75-80% since that is the white population of America (including white hispanics).
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    Have a feeling he will go the insanity route which is the usual route for a coward. The death penalty is too costly and too delayed.

    I would rather see him tossed into general population. I know he was a tough guy with the gun , lets see how tough he is man to man.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    I will give your advice the amount of deference it deserves. and I tire of hearing how tough things are for blacks. Most of the problems facing blacks these days are caused by blacks. this shooting notwithstanding. because while we are discussing what appears to be an abominable racist attack on people who did absolutely nothing to deserve being shot down in a most cowardly and despicable fashion, dozens of blacks will be shot down in cowardly and despicable fashion by other blacks and that won't result in Obama speaking, the Attorney General speaking, or lots of discussions blaming this or that
    And, unfortunately, this comes right from the top. The Obama's have made speech after speech over the last month or so fanning the flames of racism. Talking about how terrible it's been for them, the hardship of growing up in this horrible country. That even today, the poor Obamas (as they live in the lap of luxury and have the riches of this country at their disposal) tell us how hard it's been for them.

    They've made the jobs of our finest much more dangerous, and left them hesitant to protect us from criminals.

    These two disgust me and are a disgrace to this nation. The bodies aren't even cold yet, and BO is seizing upon their deaths as a political opportunity to further eviscerate the Constitution, which protects us from the likes of him.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    I just don't get how its worse to say kill someone for racist reasons than say because you are a contract killer or you are shutting up a witness who plans on testifying against you in a narcotics trial.
    Bias motivation (hate crime), murder for hire and obstruction of justice all are sentencing enhancement factors, so the law doesn't necessarily say that one is worse than the other. The law makes harsher sentences available in all three of those cases.

    All the sentencing enhancements have the same purpose- they are variants of the crime that are especially destructive or problematic for society. They're situations where the usual sentence is inadequate to the crime.

    A bias-motivated murder, for example, is far more likely to prompt retaliation, to destabilize communities, to cause others to live in fear, to be used to intimidate other members of the targeted group, etc. For example, take the Supreme Court case that determined that bias-motivation sentencing enhancements are constitutional. A group of black kids got together and made a plan to attack a white person at random to try to drive whites out of their neighborhood. After they committed the assault, a gang of white kids attacked a random black woman, then a black gang retaliated against an unrelated white kid, and so forth back and forth until by the time it all died down, a dozen people, all except one of whom were completely innocent randoms, were hospitalized, 5 different businesses shut down and property values in the area dropped 9%. The usual penalty for a typical assault just isn't severe enough to reflect the amount of damage an assault like that sets off, so they law offers judges sentencing enhancements in those circumstances.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Do you have an alibi?
    Other than being 27 years old, brown haired, brown eyed, and having a haircut that is rather decidedly not "bowl" shaped, you mean?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Bias motivation (hate crime), murder for hire and obstruction of justice all are sentencing enhancement factors, so the law doesn't necessarily say that one is worse than the other. The law makes harsher sentences available in all three of those cases.

    All the sentencing enhancements have the same purpose- they are variants of the crime that are especially destructive or problematic for society. They're situations where the usual sentence is inadequate to the crime.

    A bias-motivated murder, for example, is far more likely to prompt retaliation, to destabilize communities, to cause others to live in fear, to be used to intimidate other members of the targeted group, etc. For example, take the Supreme Court case that determined that bias-motivation sentencing enhancements are constitutional. A group of black kids got together and made a plan to attack a white person at random to try to drive whites out of their neighborhood. After they committed the assault, a gang of white kids attacked a random black woman, then a black gang retaliated against an unrelated white kid, and so forth back and forth until by the time it all died down, a dozen people, all except one of whom were completely innocent randoms, were hospitalized, 5 different businesses shut down and property values in the area dropped 9%. The usual penalty for a typical assault just isn't severe enough to reflect the amount of damage an assault like that sets off, so they law offers judges sentencing enhancements in those circumstances.
    hate crime designations at the murder level are generally designed to pander to certain groups. sentence enhancements for multiple murders is a waste of time. and yes I know why these laws exist and I don't agree with them. premeditated murder is a hate crime without the redundancy
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    I can't imagine worse than sitting with his victims for an hour and then committing premeditated murder in God's house.

    Yes, Roof was fixated on blacks. But he could've been fixated on anything--girls who rejected him, other gamers who outscored him, anything. Like other mass murderers, however, he nurtured his insane grudge, planned for months, and executed innocent people. Blacks, first-graders, movie patrons, and mall shoppers are all equally victims.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    And, unfortunately, this comes right from the top. The Obama's have made speech after speech over the last month or so fanning the flames of racism. Talking about how terrible it's been for them, the hardship of growing up in this horrible country. That even today, the poor Obamas (as they live in the lap of luxury and have the riches of this country at their disposal) tell us how hard it's been for them.

    They've made the jobs of our finest much more dangerous, and left them hesitant to protect us from criminals.

    These two disgust me and are a disgrace to this nation. The bodies aren't even cold yet, and BO is seizing upon their deaths as a political opportunity to further eviscerate the Constitution, which protects us from the likes of him.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Folks, this guy has said he "Wanted to start a civil war". A race war between blacks and whites.


    Now I think he's drastically over-estimating his own importance and the impact of his heinous action... but if we let it, this incident could be yet another brick in the wall separating us by race.



    Let's not let that happen. Let's come together and condemn this as an act of senseless and abhorrent violence and hate by a evil person whose actions are NOT representative of white South Carolinians or white Americans in general.




    Don't let him win. Don't let this drive us further apart in this time when we're already experiencing more racial tensions than we have in a decade. Let's stand together and not let one hateful young man drive yet another wedge between us.


    I live in rural SC. Everywhere I've been today, no one is talking about anything else. Everyone says it was horrible. I've not heard one person, not even the scruffiest redneck, say anything affirmative about what this young hater did.

    In the military, one of the greatest insults is to deliberately about-face and turn your back on someone, signifying they don't matter. Let's turn out backs on this hateful person and not give him the satisfaction of being a media star.


    Let's have our time of mourning and grief for those we've lost, but let's not give this hateful little **** any more attention.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    REally? Are the victims more dead if it's a hate crime?
    No, but the charges are different.
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