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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Didn't he manage to drive something like 200 miles before he was caught?
    The way I see it, cars are borderline essential to some of these shootings. I've noticed that a lot these guys show up with like 4-5 guns. Most of them are scrawny little ****ers who have never put in a day's work. How do they move 4-5 guns around? Well, they put them in one of those gym bags, but you can only carry them so far before you tired out.

    Many of these shootings also happen in places that could be considered 'car-towns'. That's what I call places where there is a sizable percentage of the population that lives out in the country. Vermont has tons of them. They're anywhere between 20K and 200K people. So with that said, I definitely see a correlation between cars and these shootings. Inner cities have drive-bys and gang violence, smaller cities have shootings. Just look at the list of school shootings and such:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_States#2010s

    Most of them happen in places that don't even reach the 200K mark. Sure, you get the occasional shooting in places like Detroit, and NYC but they're vastly outnumbered by the places that one could call 'car towns'. It might just be that cities under 500K are everywhere, it may just be pure coinkidink, but I think that probably plays a far bigger role than mental illness or even drugs.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He also drove... He drove his mom's car to the school... I'm not trying to be a dick... I swear, a lot of these guys had their own vehicles.
    That's fine, but his uncle said that when he was 19 he didn't have a job or a drivers license. He also said he was introverted, quiet and stayed alone in his room a lot. That almost describes Adam Lanza to a tee. Like Nursemate said, "a long history of mental illness since grade school and off his meds as an adult" wouldn't be too surprising.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No idea what this means.
    It probably means more to the poster you were responding to. Sorry about that.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The way I see it, cars are borderline essential to some of these shootings. I've noticed that a lot these guys show up with like 4-5 guns. Most of them are scrawny little ****ers who have never put in a day's work. How do they move 4-5 guns around? Well, they put them in one of those gym bags, but you can only carry them so far before you tired out.

    Many of these shootings also happen in places that could be considered 'car-towns'. That's what I call places where there is a sizable percentage of the population that lives out in the country. Vermont has tons of them. They're anywhere between 20K and 200K people. So with that said, I definitely see a correlation between cars and these shootings. Inner cities have drive-bys and gang violence, smaller cities have shootings. Just look at the list of school shootings and such:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_States#2010s

    Most of them happen in places that don't even reach the 200K mark. Sure, you get the occasional shooting in places like Detroit, and NYC but they're vastly outnumbered by the places that one could call 'car towns'. It might just be that cities under 500K are everywhere, it may just be pure coinkidink, but I think that probably plays a far bigger role than mental illness or even drugs.
    I agree, and that's an interesting question. This little **** is 5'9" and 120 pounds. I'm 5'8" and 125, and I couldn't move 2 guns, forget 5. They always seem to be undersized little bastards.

    To your point about the car towns, I never thought about it, but you are correct there as well.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Actually with rare exception the mass shooters have turned out to be leftwingers.
    No, not really. There is sort of a cottage industry among right wing blogs where they immediately blurt out that any shooter is "a registered Democrat". They did that this time too. But, of course, it isn't true, it is just stuff bloggers (and sometimes shady right wing news outlets) say.

    Of the mass shooters and bombers who have been motivated by a political cause, the vast majority have come from the right. White supremacists, anti-abortion terrorists, anti-government nuts and Islamic terrorism are all right wing. There are many right wing organizations in the US from each of those categories and many of them have at least some direct involvement in violence. What equivalent political motivation for mass murder or terrorism is there on the left? The only ones I can think of are anti-war terrorism (which you need to go back to the Vietnam era to find an instance of) and ecoterrorism (which focuses exclusively on property, not people).

    Now, of the ones who have been motivated by something non-political, their politics are more mixed. I'm not really sure why their politics matter in a case where that isn't related to their killing. Really, most of them have not had strong, clear, political leans. The ones in this category tend to be more crazy than either liberal or conservative. Sometimes that manifests as being kind of an extremist in both directions, like Loughner, for example, who had both Nazi and Communist books. He appears to have been drawn by extremism and didn't really care whether it was liberal or conservative extremes. Some of them probably really should be described as libertarian socialists- they passionately hate government, the rich and corporations. Or, a lot of them just haven't really talked or apparently thought much about politics, or else they just didn't have very clearly thought out positions on political issues. The DC sniper, for example, had some journal where he periodically said kind of random political things, some of which sounded more liberal and others which sounded more conservative, but most of it just didn't really make sense. Apparently, he went the entire last year of his life eating only vitamins... Like hundreds of multivitamins a day... Whatever random scribbling he jotted down in whatever kind of bizarre mental state that kind of a diet induces don't really seem like they'd give any useful insight into what went wrong with him, do they?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree, and that's an interesting question. This little **** is 5'9" and 120 pounds. I'm 5'8" and 125, and I couldn't move 2 guns, forget 5. They always seem to be undersized little bastards.

    To your point about the car towns, I never thought about it, but you are correct there as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Of course you are.

    Minimal details, and you desperately flail around looking for a political label to paint a particular party.

    Never let a good tragedy go to waste to further your own political agenda.

    At least let the victims be buried first.

    You and others are hiding your head in the sand as a knee jerk reflex protection action. every day we see statements from people on the far right who are obviously living in their own reality - some of which seem to believe it is still three centuries ago - and their own extremism has polarized them to the extent that they do not live in the reality that most other Americans do.

    Start with this and learn

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...reat-mistake-0

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Polarized-.../dp/1939686008

    One thing that I have never been able to wrap my mind around is the special fear right wingers have for other right wingers who are obviously pathological misfits because of their mental illnesses. It manifests itself in outright denial - as we have seen in this discussion over and over again.

    Nobody is saying that being a conservative or even the more extreme right libertarian is the same as a mental illness. Nobody is saying that. The vast majority of such persons are nowhere near mentally disturbed.

    But some are and in this case of nine murders for racist reason - we just saw one example.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I was wondering too. This article helps: Why would an American white supremacist be fond of Rhodesia? - CSMonitor.com

    Seems to be a dog whistle for white supremacists. Was ruled at one time by a white racist.
    true and when the racist white regime was replaced, it was replaced by a communist black and now racist regime which was far far worse than Ian Smith's government. It is used by white racists to try to accentuate the incompetence of black rulers of formerly white run nations
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    No, not really. There is sort of a cottage industry among right wing blogs where they immediately blurt out that any shooter is "a registered Democrat". They did that this time too. But, of course, it isn't true, it is just stuff bloggers (and sometimes shady right wing news outlets) say.

    Of the mass shooters and bombers who have been motivated by a political cause, the vast majority have come from the right. White supremacists, anti-abortion terrorists, anti-government nuts and Islamic terrorism are all right wing. There are many right wing organizations in the US from each of those categories and many of them have at least some direct involvement in violence. What equivalent political motivation for mass murder or terrorism is there on the left? The only ones I can think of are anti-war terrorism (which you need to go back to the Vietnam era to find an instance of) and ecoterrorism (which focuses exclusively on property, not people).

    Now, of the ones who have been motivated by something non-political, their politics are more mixed. I'm not really sure why their politics matter in a case where that isn't related to their killing. Really, most of them have not had strong, clear, political leans. The ones in this category tend to be more crazy than either liberal or conservative. Sometimes that manifests as being kind of an extremist in both directions, like Loughner, for example, who had both Nazi and Communist books. He appears to have been drawn by extremism and didn't really care whether it was liberal or conservative extremes. Some of them probably really should be described as libertarian socialists- they passionately hate government, the rich and corporations. Or, a lot of them just haven't really talked or apparently thought much about politics, or else they just didn't have very clearly thought out positions on political issues. The DC sniper, for example, had some journal where he periodically said kind of random political things, some of which sounded more liberal and others which sounded more conservative, but most of it just didn't really make sense. Apparently, he went the entire last year of his life eating only vitamins... Like hundreds of multivitamins a day... Whatever random scribbling he jotted down in whatever kind of bizarre mental state that kind of a diet induces don't really seem like they'd give any useful insight into what went wrong with him, do they?
    Left wing terrorism-weather underground the SLA, the Earth First extremists, the unibomber, the ALF, have all been as violent as any right wing extremism. we have no idea what actually motivated this current rampage yet, though it appears to be the color of the victims
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