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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is a serious problem. But both sides of the political spectrum like to exploit various tragedies for political gain. Both sides tend to single out various groups as the problem. Truth is it is across the board in this country which makes it easy as hell to find examples whether it be white crime, black, Muslim, Christian, immigrants, citizens, tall people short people, ect. America is becoming more and more violent. From what I see on various sites, people, news agencies, politicians, most people only want to address part of the problem.
    Well done.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, that face, that picture...I will have nightmares. I have to catch up on the hundreds of posts in this thread....he looks like an amazingly angry young man. Crazy expression.
    I'll fill you in:

    1. People are confidently claiming he's mentally ill, even though nobody here has the expertise or knowledge to make such an assessment in a serious manner.
    2. His views on race can't be part of the discussion, I don't know why...
    3. Some people are still not entirely sure he was racist, even though the guy is wearing the flags of countries that stopped existing because... you know.. people didn't like racism anymore.

    Be ready, it's quite the ride. There are 3 kinds of people in this thread. Those who want him disassociated from the right, those who seek to associate him with the right, and those who are simply saying that it's too soon to know anything for sure. I fall in the last one. I don't care whether he's right or left, doesn't matter to me. Hell, even if the guy was mentally ill, and there is no indication of it from any source worth taking into consideration, none of it suggests that the mental illness caused the violence.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you so fear anyone examinong a possible connection between extremist politics and acts of mental illness?
    Who said I feared that? Why are you so obsessed with blaming a murderous act on politics?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll fill you in:

    1. People are confidently claiming he's mentally ill, even though nobody here has the expertise or knowledge to make such an assessment in a serious manner.
    2. His views on race can't be part of the discussion, I don't know why...
    3. Some people are still not entirely sure he was racist, even though the guy is wearing the flags of countries who stopped existing because... you know.. people didn't like racism anymore.

    Be ready, it's quite the ride. There are 3 kinds of people in this thread. Those who want him disassociated from the right, those who seek to associate him with the right, and those who are simply saying that it's too soon to know anything for sure.
    Thanks for the synopsis. Do we have anything to indicate the answer to which of the 3 groups you mention at the end is right?

    He looks nutz, that's for sure. But then again Ted Bundy was handsome, and he was nutz, so looks aren't everything. Is he American? WTF is his interest in Rhodesia? We have 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks, and I dont' think my kids even know where Rhodesia is (was).
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thanks for the synopsis. Do we have anything to indicate the answer to which of the 3 groups you mention at the end is right?

    He looks nutz, that's for sure. But then again Ted Bundy was handsome, and he was nutz, so looks aren't everything. Is he American? WTF is his interest in Rhodesia? We have 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks, and I dont' think my kids even know where Rhodesia is (was).
    Given his apparent outlook on race, his interest in Rhodesia and South Africa isn't hard to fathom.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm sorry, I know I should read all 400 posts. He had a criminal record? For what?

    Why does a boy from the US wear clothing that shows flags of Rhodesia?
    I was wondering too. This article helps: Why would an American white supremacist be fond of Rhodesia? - CSMonitor.com

    Seems to be a dog whistle for white supremacists. Was ruled at one time by a white racist.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll fill you in:

    1. People are confidently claiming he's mentally ill, even though nobody here has the expertise or knowledge to make such an assessment in a serious manner.
    2. His views on race can't be part of the discussion, I don't know why...
    3. Some people are still not entirely sure he was racist, even though the guy is wearing the flags of countries who stopped existing because... you know.. people didn't like racism anymore.

    Be ready, it's quite the ride. There are 3 kinds of people in this thread. Those who want him disassociated from the right, those who seek to associate him with the right, and those who are simply saying that it's too soon to know anything for sure.
    1 more. The ones who are looking at probabilities.

    He is likely to have some kind of mental health issue. It seems like drug abuse now given his background and one drug he is known to have taken has a 1-10% chance on impacting psychiatric functions.

    Mental illness doesn't mean someone will become a mass shooter. But remember that many shooters are mentally ill. There is a link and we don't know why. Personally I want to look at drugs. This isn't going to be textbook because he targeted a specific race. But certain actions he made seem very odd. And he has a criminal record.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I was wondering too. This article helps: Why would an American white supremacist be fond of Rhodesia? - CSMonitor.com

    Seems to be a dog whistle for white supremacists. Was ruled at one time by a white racist.
    Very interesting Jasper - thanks.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thanks for the synopsis. Do we have anything to indicate the answer to which of the 3 groups you mention at the end is right?
    To be honest, I couldn't tell you. What I know is that he planned this out, probably took a cue from past incidents (see: burning of black churches), and was coherent enough to find out meeting times at this church. I'd put him in the Timothy McVeigh camp but similar to the lone wolf attack we see from some radical Muslims in the US. He probably read a bunch of things on the internet, got himself pumped up by Stormfront trolls and decided to go and put himself in the history books for the same cause David Duke types write about.

    He looks nutz, that's for sure. But then again Ted Bundy was handsome, and he was nutz, so looks aren't everything. Is he American? WTF is his interest in Rhodesia? We have 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks, and I dont' think my kids even know where Rhodesia is (was).
    I'd never heard of Rhodesia before Blood Diamond. But yeah, the whole thing stinks to high heaven and I'd be interested in seeing what is on his computer and what type of sites he visited.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Just listened this hour to a South Carolina GOP State Senator named Tom Davis on the Ed Show for several minutes uninterrupted.
    Just an incredibly wonderful testimonial to State Senator/Reverend Pinckney as he knew him for 14 years.
    I hope some of you from all political persuasions get to see the remarks of State Sen. Davis .
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