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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Murder is bad enough. Doing it in a church is downright evil.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How is he wrong? Gun violence, for whatever reason, is a serious problem in the U.S. I don't know what the solution to it is, but you can't fix a problem until you acknowledge that you have one.
    I would say this whole world has a violence problem, pick whichever tool you wish. Like you, I don't know the answer to fixing it.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Murder is bad enough. Doing it in a church is downright evil.
    Pretty low for sure. On top of it all, sitting in the church for an hour before the act.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How is he wrong? Gun violence, for whatever reason, is a serious problem in the U.S. I don't know what the solution to it is, but you can't fix a problem until you acknowledge that you have one.
    It is a serious problem. But both sides of the political spectrum like to exploit various tragedies for political gain. Both sides tend to single out various groups as the problem. Truth is it is across the board in this country which makes it easy as hell to find examples whether it be white crime, black, Muslim, Christian, immigrants, citizens, tall people short people, ect. America is becoming more and more violent. From what I see on various sites, people, news agencies, politicians, most people only want to address part of the problem.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Murder is bad enough. Doing it in a church is downright evil.
    How is it different than shooting up an elementary school, killing two dozen 5-10 year-olds?

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How is he wrong? Gun violence, for whatever reason, is a serious problem in the U.S. I don't know what the solution to it is, but you can't fix a problem until you acknowledge that you have one.
    We do have a problem, it's not guns, it's our privatized healthcare system and anti tax ideology. There's almost no resources for mental health issues, and it's not profitable to provide effective mental health care.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Cant believe all those racist cops arrested a white guy.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think the better question would be "why as anyone committing hate crimes in 2015?"
    As we struggle to answer this question and to make sense of this latest mass killing, I am going to ask some difficult but necessary questions to everyone:

    1. Had all of the events prior to and during this mass killing been exactly the same, with the sole difference that Roof had been a nonwhite Muslim, then how would the language of and the coverage by major US media outlets have been different?
    2. Had all of the events prior to and during this mass killing been exactly the same, including the media coverage, with the sole difference that Roof had been a nonwhite Muslim, then how, if at all, would your personal response to this tragedy have been any different?

    You don't have to reply to this post. You don't have to answer these questions right now. But I do want y'all to think them over.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is a serious problem. But both sides of the political spectrum like to exploit various tragedies for political gain. Both sides tend to single out various groups as the problem. Truth is it is across the board in this country which makes it easy as hell to find examples whether it be white crime, black, Muslim, Christian, immigrants, citizens, tall people short people, ect. America is becoming more and more violent. From what I see on various sites, people, news agencies, politicians, most people only want to address part of the problem.


    Actually violent crime has been trending downward overall for over 40 years. It's just the media hype that makes it seem worse than it is.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    I understand that - but there's a clear cut defense to be made when someone commits a crime accidentally. Or, when he's not in control of his mental state. We use those situations as defenses to judicial punishment.
    It's not only a defense but shows that the laws take into account what people are thinking or what motivates their actions.

    The difference with labeling something as a "hate crime" is that we're trying to pile more punishment on because of intent. It's not being used as a defense. What we need to do - in my opinion - is drop hate crime tagging and charge all crimes the same. If there are aggravating circumstances, they can be presented in the courtroom.
    So you feel that way about terrorism laws? We should wipe them off of the books as well?
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