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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You still have nothing to substantiate this. What mental illness does he have? Schizophrenia? Bipolar Disorder? No, jmotivator. You don't get to decide who is crazy or not based on the situation and what is politically convenient.
    You realize that he likely DOES have some form of illness and it may not be diagnosed? Most mass shooters do. I wonder if he was on any kind of medicines?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    Again, like so many cons, you stay focused on "punishment" and continue to avoid motivation.

    You keep proving my point.



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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is only ONE reason we have crimes listed as hate crimes - so the feds can involve themselves in state prosecutions where they normally would have no say.
    Can you really define this as anything else though?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You realize that he likely DOES have some form of illness and it may not be diagnosed? Most mass shooters do. I wonder if he was on any kind of medicines?
    I don't know. What I do know is that claiming that he was mentally ill at this point is premature and completely unfounded. His lawyer has labelled him as a normal kid. He's obviously not an authority on the kid's psyche, but neither is some guy on the internet plucking whatever term he got from WebMD. So as it stands, there is nothing to suggest that this was anything other than premeditated murder.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You still have nothing to substantiate this. What mental illness does he have? Schizophrenia? Bipolar Disorder? No, jmotivator. You don't get to decide who is crazy or not based on the situation and what is politically convenient.

    A lot of people who do things like this are mentally ill in some sense, and the temptation to quickly say "he's insane!" is common. Most of us who can't imagine doing something so heinous want to quickly classify it as something "not related to any of us!" It's a natural human trait to want to distance one's self from such atrocity.

    And it isn't a bad guess... most mass shooters have had SOME kind of mental issues, though many were found sufficiently competent to stand trial.


    I think what a lot of us mean when we say "he's crazy!" is really: "That guy does NOT think like a normal human being."


    This is true. He may be mentally ill or he may just be an evil monster, but he doesn't think like most of us if he can convince himself that such a massacre is a good thing to do.


    I believe many mass murderers are mentally ill... but I believe some are indeed "evil monsters". That in itself is a question-begging term of course... what makes a man into an evil monster? Something broken inside that isn't working right; something that tells most people "Hey man, you don't want to do that." Some are born broken, some are broken by an event in their life that they couldn't cope with, or in some cases they embraced an ideology that required them to break inside.

    What's broken? Their conscience and empathy. Their ability to see their targets as human beings and feel for their pain and fear. Sometimes this is a "selective" break, where their empathy is shut off towards a group labeled "the enemy" but not others... this is usually the case where they were broken by an ideological construct, or where they are motivated by revenge against a specific target group.


    Now I'm no shrink... this is just my opinion based on fifty years of observing the human condition, some of it as a cop seeing some bad **** and wondering how anyone could do such a thing... but I think I'm not far wrong.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And yet, you can't seem to post anything to substantiate your views. Show us these radically different procedures for dealing with a suspect. Please? Enough chit-chat, time to start posting sources.
    There's rarely a good enough to jar a conspiracy theorist from his connivance du jour. Keep pulling the the tin-hat wagon train and when you're ready to learn - start with this report.

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/176330-1.pdf
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know. What I do know is that claiming that he was mentally ill at this point is premature and completely unfounded. His lawyer has labelled him as a normal kid. He's obviously not an authority on the kid's psyche, but neither is some guy on the internet plucking whatever term he got from WebMD. So as it stands, there is nothing to suggest that this was anything other than premeditated murder.
    No you don't and neither does anyone else in this forum.

    Nothing is "known" all is speculation and rumor, period.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know. What I do know is that claiming that he was mentally ill at this point is premature and completely unfounded. His lawyer has labelled him as a normal kid. He's obviously not an authority on the kid's psyche, but neither is some guy on the internet plucking whatever term he got from WebMD. So as it stands, there is nothing to suggest that this was anything other than premeditated murder.
    Premeditated does not mean he is NOT mentally ill. Again I am going on probabilities here. It is a very high likelihood. I can't think of any stable mass shooters.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Gunman Quoted as Saying: “I Have to Do It.” - NYTimes.com

    Sylvia Johnson, one of the Rev. Clementa Pinckney’s cousins, said in an interview with NBC that she had spoken with one of the survivors of the shooting, who gave her this account.

    The gunman arrived at the church and asked for the pastor, taking a seat next to him for the study meeting. At the end, the survivor told Ms. Johnson, they suddenly heard loud noises. The gunman had opened fire, and reloaded five times.

    “Her son was trying to talk him out of doing the act of killing people,” Ms. Johnson said.

    According to Ms. Johnson, the survivor said the gunman replied.

    “He just said: ‘I have to do it. You rape our women and you are taking over our country. And you have to go.’ “
    Sounds racially motivated to me.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A lot of people on FB add people for no reason at all. He may have just added people he wanted to "creep on" (that's a FB term).


    I dunno man, they all seem like classmates or something.


    Just odd ****, not really reading much into it.


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