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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know about all that, but FB friendlists don't say much about you. I have literally hundreds of religious people on my facebook. You take one look at my newsfeed and it's flooded with everything from Evangelicals to Muslims to Jews posting those lame ass pictures about praying to whomever. Am I religious? If you look at my FB, you'd think so and yet nothing could be further from the truth. Facebook is a giant playground for people to do whatever they want and display whatever image they want. Pointing at who a person has on their FB list doesn't say anything about their views on race.
    You seem to be suggesting that most people on FB are poseurs.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, I'm not. I'm the guy who rightly claimed that a video posted in an OP, not posted by me, another of your lies, showing a group of young black gang bangers kicking, punching, spitting on and otherwise assaulting another young black man said more about black America than it said about the American justice system. I never once claimed it represented an entire race, irrespective of your lying attempts to make it appear so.

    But hey, I'm not interested in feeding your need to troll so if you have something to offer about this thread, post it up and if I'm interested in your bleatings I might respond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's impossible to know, from the video, what part the young man played in his own troubles in the jail. In each of the first two incidents I saw in the video, he said something to the guard and he also said something to one of the other inmates and then started the incident by punching another of the inmates in the face. Unless we know what he said, we can't know why he was attacked. And in the gang attack, he started the fight so he got what he deserved.

    Secondly, I'd note that in the first incident, with the guards, all the guards who roughed him up were black. In the second incident, the two guards who protected him and got him to safety were white.

    Thirdly, he was out of the jail for 2 and a half years before he killed himself - what happened both to him and for him in those intervening years between jail and death? Anyone know?

    Finally, I'd say this video does nothing to support the "black lives matter" nonsense since I didn't see a single black person in the video who gave a **** about black life they were trying to end.

    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    Rewriting history won't change your words. You really have no room to complain about people using wide brushes.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    But, none of that changes the fact that we can logically only punish "crimes" not "thoughts." It's fine to say that this crime was bred in the mind of a hateful racist - but that still doesn't change the actual crime, which was killing. There should be no difference in punishment between this man and the freak who shot up the theater in Aurora. Same thing. Both are killers. The only victims are those who died and their families.
    I hear this a lot but our laws are littered with laws that depend on thoughts or motivations. Accidentally killing someone or killing someone intentionally. The person is dead, but the thought processes and motivations are different and they carry different sentences. A crime of passion vs premeditated murder. Attempted murder is based on your intent, you wanted to murder that person. They aren't dead, but you meant for them to die.

    If you only punish the crime then there is murder and there is assault. There's no such thing as manslaughter and there's no such thing as attempted murder because neither of those are possible without analyzing the intentions and thought process of the person that committed the crime.

    "Intent" is littered all over our justice system and intent is a punishment against thoughts. No one carried through, they intended to though.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You seem to be suggesting that most people on FB are poseurs.
    In a way, yes and in a way no. I am saying that FB is not a measurement of who you are as a person by any extension of the word. I am not religious in any sense of the word. Yet, I have hundreds and hundreds of religious "friends" who make my feed look like I could be one too. I also have "friends" who are right wing and yet I don't consider myself right wing.

    We have no idea why those people are on his list. He could have added them himself to do some sort of research to support his views. He could have had them to point out problems he saw to similar minded people. These are possible and yet like your suggestion, there is simply no way to prove it so they remain possibilities with very little to back them up.

    What I do know for sure is that pointing at his black "friends" on FB and saying that means something in regards to his views on race is pretty silly. It's not even a clue unless we know the kind of interactions he had with these people beyond simply having them on a list.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Checked out his fb page and friends pages. Couple things. His page is private but a few of his friends are posting screenshots since they can see it. They are also posting other pics.

    A lot of the people didn't really know him.

    Quite a few of the black friends he has, many didn't know him, but lived nearby or went to his school. Many of them have white girlfriends or pics of them with white girls. Most of his female friends who are white have pics with black guys.

    I am thinking, just my opinion based off the fb digging, either some girl left him for a black guy, or some girl rejected him and is dating a black guy.
    Nail on the head there. Likely going to be the case.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Checked out his fb page and friends pages. Couple things. His page is private but a few of his friends are posting screenshots since they can see it. They are also posting other pics.

    A lot of the people didn't really know him.

    Quite a few of the black friends he has, many didn't know him, but lived nearby or went to his school. Many of them have white girlfriends or pics of them with white girls. Most of his female friends who are white have pics with black guys.

    I am thinking, just my opinion based off the fb digging, either some girl left him for a black guy, or some girl rejected him and is dating a black guy.
    Can you point to where they're being posted so we can check them out? This is actually really interesting.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh and by the way:



    Rewriting history won't change your words. You really have no room to complain about people using wide brushes.
    Thank you for posting my actual comments and not the lies you attempted to sell. I stand by the comments.

    And now, I'd suggest you cease your attempt to highjack this thread - it is not about me.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, because you say so? Lol. You're not making a very good case for anything here.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sure, if it's an Asian thing to go about making a habit of wearing South African apartheid flags on their jacket. I must've missed that trend.
    Oh no, you didn't take this line of comment seriously, did you?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You seem to be suggesting that most people on FB are poseurs.
    Adding a little bit to my reply to this post:

    Facebook at its core is a data mining operation. Though it presents itself as social media, it makes a large percentage of its money through the sale of collected information. There are quite a large number of people who offset this data by presenting themselves as something they are not. However, there is enough real information collected that these sites can paint a pretty accurate picture of consumer demands.

    However people aren't always or nearly always truthful about their real lives on FB. People post things they are buying, things they are selling, things they're into, facebook collects it all and companies model their marketing based on terabytes of information. However, they're not posting about their debt, their family problems, their mental states, etc. Naturally, people have a tendency to post the best parts of their lives on FB and leave the bad stuff out. That alone leaves you with a pretty incomplete picture of who they really are.

    However, the basics of a person's FB don't provide a lot of information on who they are or why they are friends. He could have had a lot of black people, but we don't know why. Did he hang out with black people? Did he do it for another purpose? A FB list from a mostly private profile simply wouldn't be able to tell you anything about that.
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