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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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The relevant statistic here is the no. of anti-Black hate groups per capita in SC vs. NY.

The problem is - the SPLC doesn't track individuals - just organized groups. Per capita, there may be fewer racists in NY, but we can't assume that because they have so many more groups. Given the geographic size of the states and the fact that NY has more than twice as many hate groups, it stands to reason that the chances of running into a member of a hate group is higher in NY.
 
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BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!! That loud and rather annoying noise is a buzzer telling you that you DID NOT provide the data requested. You stated quite clearly that



Right now it is immaterial who Blacks voted for or who college educated folks voted for or upperclass whites voted for or three legged green albino's voted for with incomes of more than $85,000 a year. Your statement was not about them. Your claim was about THE VAST MAJORITY OF POOR WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA and you claimed the voted REPUBLICAN.

So lets see the hard evidence on that. I even tried to get you started by providing you with the poverty statistics.

So lets see it and forget about all the other smoke and mirrors. I have no interest in watching your lovely assistant bend over in the low cut dress while you are switching the other one in the box before you saw it in half. Lets just see what you claimed and the hard evidence for it.

Or you could admit you simply said something wrong and we can leave it at that.

And I read your linked story. Not one line in it - not one statistic in it - stated that a majority of poor whites vote Republican. You presented an attempt at evidence which does not even provide one iota of proof for your claim.

If I am wrong about the content of your linked article - do more than just link to it - quote the relevant part which states that a majority of poor white voters in the USA voted Republican. You cannot because it does not.

As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I gave you an article that clearly indicates that poor white Americans, in the vast majority, vote Republican. Now, if you're going to quibble that not all poor white Americans vote, I won't argue with you. However, the vast majority of poor white Americans who do vote or when they vote, vote Republican, your little dance not withstanding.

If your only interest is playing little semantic gotcha games, go find one of the many liberal trolls who frequent this site - you'll find kindred spirits, like yourself, who have zero interest in discussing the actual issues.
 
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I'm citing evidence based on the large sample of Whites in the state, as opposed to personal experience, which isn't valid (since it's based on a small, isolated, and typically biased sample).

He lives there. You read the internet. Think about that, then reply again. However isolated you think he is, he is far more integrated into that society than you are. Reading an article doesn't make you an expert on any local cultures. Living there does. Experience > reading other ignorant opinions of a place. As I said probably 15 pages ago. Go spend time in SC. Meet some people there. Then maybe your opinion will be more than just ignorant drivel.
 
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Sorry, demographic segregation, which may have historical roots in racism, is not evidence of current institutional racism, since it's not forced,

as opposed to sanctioned segregation--the case of the prom cited above, which is.

The case you mentioned is just blatant racism...which the south is guilty of. The highly segregated cities in the north though are definitely due to conscious decisions and institutional reasons.
So you think it's just chance that in the north and midwest there are parts of cities that are highly concentrated with blacks and it tends to have less access to public services including transportation? Racial zoning laws are based on cities like LA, NY, and Baltimore. Racism is universal in the US just some parts are much more blatant than others.

The whole "i'm from the north you southern heathens" is like an obese person in a rascal looking at a smoker with disgust. Two people that are making poor decisions for their health just in different ways.
 
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He lives there. You read the internet. Think about that, then reply again. However isolated you think he is, he is far more integrated into that society than you are. Reading an article doesn't make you an expert on any local cultures. Living there does. Experience > reading other ignorant opinions of a place. As I said probably 15 pages ago. Go spend time in SC. Meet some people there. Then maybe your opinion will be more than just ignorant drivel.




Thank you.


I don't know what "SC" that ... person.. is talking about... but THIS is MY South Carolina...



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And that sounds like a bunch of bigotry to me. You get nowhere in dealing with racism when you paint an entire region of your country and everyone who lives there as ingrained with, understanding, and tolerant of racism.

It is bigotry.
 
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Thank you.


I don't know what "SC" that ... person.. is talking about... but THIS is MY South Carolina...



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You are an amazingly patient man.

Those are great pics. I've been to SC many times and saw exactly what you posted here. However, when a poster has an agenda, posts like yours go whoosh right over the head.

I really love that pic of the musicians.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Your comment offers nothing other than bigotry.

It's not bigotry to say that right wing conservatism has a racism problem. Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives. Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

There IS a racism problem inside right wing conservative circles just like there's a terrorism problem within fundamentalist Islam.

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Only in the minds of liberals with a need to attack conservatives are the actions and statements of the alleged killer here fantasized as political. We could just as easily discuss the possibility that young men who have their hair cut using cereal bowls as a guide are prone to mass murder.

His comments, in my view, were those of a white supremacist who seemed to have grievances against black people, grievances personal to him. Where's the political agenda that he was advancing in what he did and what is known at this time?

He wanted to cause a race war and to promote segregation. That's political.

His cause was at least as political as the Boston Marathon bombings. Why would you view this as a different type of act?
 
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Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives.

There IS a racism problem inside right wing conservative circles just like there's a terrorism problem within fundamentalist Islam.

I would agree with this.

Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

I would deny this. By far the majority of conservatives are not white racists and do not cater to them.

I would agree that most white racists tend to conservative in their lean, however, I would also state that most terrorists overall (which white supremists are) tend to lean left. You can find plenty of both. Extremism is extremism regardless of your lean.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

You are an amazingly patient man.

Those are great pics. I've been to SC many times and saw exactly what you posted here. However, when a poster has an agenda, posts like yours go whoosh right over the head.

I really love that pic of the musicians.



Thanks. The pics are all from the "Spring Fling" street festival we have annually.

I'm somewhat plugged into the indie music scene through my youngest niece, who does vocals, keyboard and flute for a popular regional band, as well as sometimes playing with other indie groups.

Our area is rich in history and local culture, as well as technologically progressive and diverse. We have large populations of Hispanics, Indians (as in Hindi), and Asians (mostly Viet, Hmong and Cambodians), as well as more modest quantities of Jewish and Middle-eastern peoples. Over a quarter of the state's population is black, as well. Racially motivated incidents have been very rare in my home county for many years now, and the haters have either got their minds right or hidden under a log somewhere, we don't put up with that crap anymore.

We have centers for the arts, and museums of history and science and culture. We have plays and musicals from Broadway and around the world in the auditorium one town over. The downtown area has been revitalized and is now a center of business, culture and music.

Drive out of town 30 minutes and you're seeing cow pastures, cotton fields, wide stretches of deep green forest land, rivers and hills and farms and small towns. That's where I live. :D


We have some problems, sure... no place is perfect... but I love it here.


Just wish it wasn't so gall-darn hot in the summer. :D
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Thanks. The pics are all from the "Spring Fling" street festival we have annually.

I'm somewhat plugged into the indie music scene through my youngest niece, who does vocals, keyboard and flute for a popular regional band, as well as sometimes playing with other indie groups.

Our area is rich in history and local culture, as well as technologically progressive and diverse. We have large populations of Hispanics, Indians (as in Hindi), and Asians (mostly Viet, Hmong and Cambodians), as well as more modest quantities of Jewish and Middle-eastern peoples. Over a quarter of the state's population is black, as well. Racially motivated incidents have been very rare in my home county for many years now, and the haters have either got their minds right or hidden under a log somewhere, we don't put up with that crap anymore.

We have centers for the arts, and museums of history and science and culture. We have plays and musicals from Broadway and around the world in the auditorium one town over. The downtown area has been revitalized and is now a center of business, culture and music.

Drive out of town 30 minutes and you're seeing cow pastures, cotton fields, wide stretches of deep green forest land, rivers and hills and farms and small towns. That's where I live. :D


We have some problems, sure... no place is perfect... but I love it here.


Just wish it wasn't so gall-darn hot in the summer. :D

It's a great state for sure, and I love how you describe it. It's hot, true - too hot for me. But in terms of being welcoming to business travelers, and things to see as a tourist, it's one of the best this country has to offer.

And yep, of course there are racists. I live 20 miles from the Massachusetts border, and 50 miles from the Vermont border. There are racists in both of those uber-Liberal states. They're everywhere.

It bothers me to see a lovely state with great people get denigrated in the way that some people seem determined to do.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

I would agree with this.



I would deny this. By far the majority of conservatives are not white racists and do not cater to them.

I would agree that most white racists tend to conservative in their lean, however, I would also state that most terrorists overall (which white supremists are) tend to lean left. You can find plenty of both. Extremism is extremism regardless of your lean.
Oh, I fully agree that the majority of right wing conservatives don't cater to racists. What I should have said is that there are leaders in the conservative movement that do. Hence the confederate flag hanging on the capitol in South Carolina and much of the "dog whistle" politicking that happens. These leaders by in large aren't racists, but they're willing to use racism to gain votes. THAT.. has to stop.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives. Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

Un****ingbelievable.
 
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Despite the image SC officials are trying to portray to the rest of the country, the perp who shot up the church will be hailed as a hero by most of the Whites living in SC.

Absolute bull****.
 
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I'm citing evidence based on the large sample of Whites in the state, as opposed to personal experience, which isn't valid (since it's based on a small, isolated, and typically biased sample).

Actually, you're citing evidence of one thing and trying to claim that evidence says an entirely different thing.

For example, you're trying to back up your claim that the majority of whites in SC are racist by pointing to the SPLC's numbers on the amount of "hate groups" in SC and dishonestly attempting to conflate those two things as being the same and that somehow the later somehow "proves" your earlier point.

It doesn't.

Its a dishonest and ridiculous tactic on your part in an effort to hide your bigotry in this situation. A similar tactic used by racists that I've seen come to this site routinely throwing out contextless statistics about incarceration stats and other such things as a means of "proving" their hateful views and statements about black people despite the fact their "evidence" and their "argument" are not actually directly related.
 
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Oh contraire mon Pere. I seem to remember a white killed by a white for being a homosexual was deemed a hate crime.
But the homosexual part trumped the white part.

I tried to type a comment on this silly post three times but the dumb hurt me so bad I just couldn't do it.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Recently, perhaps, but historically speaking...."usually" is very inaccurate.


There's always an exception.
 
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OMG, a quote! I am so sorry! LOL!


Now that shooter is saying that he did it to try and kickstart the race war. But that's just another quote which doesn't mean much to the intentionally obtuse.
 
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The study that CNN cites appears to be biased (not surprisingly). For example, the following attacks of terrorism are not classified as leftist:

- Murder of two police officers by political activists last seen attending "Occupier" rallies and pissed because they could not afford health care.
- Murder of four police officers by an individual known to make "revolutionary" comments and outbursts
- Ambush murder of one police officer by an individual actively affiliated with leftist groups

Do you have citation or source for that?
 
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It's not bigotry to say that right wing conservatism has a racism problem. Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives. Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

There IS a racism problem inside right wing conservative circles just like there's a terrorism problem within fundamentalist Islam.

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Doubling down on bigotry, I see.
 
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SC is one of the most disgusting places in the world, so any post about it would naturally be expected to be equally disgusting.

You mean have I ever wanted to travel back in time?

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It's a sad situation you are in.

You are doing exactly the sort of thinking that people like Dylann Roof take to extremes. He hated a certain group of people and he felt justified about it. He could make arguments that made sense to him, and some others. And he felt JUSTIFIED in hating the people he hated.

I would assume you are not crazy enough to go as far down the path as he did, but in my opinion you are on that same path. You hate southerners. You probably especially hate white southerners. And as far as you are concerned you are fully JUSTIFIED. These "disgusting" people deserve your hatred because they are evil.

For what it's worth. I am a white middle aged male southerner. I was born in North Carolina, and I live in Texas.

I am sorry to say you are right about SOME of us.

I am glad to say you are WRONG about MOST of us.

But even the ones you are right about don't merit you selling your own soul for the right to hate them the way you do.

But to each their own. Hate if you wish. You are free.
 
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He wanted to cause a race war and to promote segregation. That's political.

His cause was at least as political as the Boston Marathon bombings. Why would you view this as a different type of act?

You clearly don't understand the meaning of terrorism, racism, and/or political ideology since you're trying to conflate the three as one.
 
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I don’t think that destruction of property and the execution of human beings are comparable.

And beyond it’s being ugly in its timing and opportunism and insensitivity, the partisan comments you and others have been making serve to diminish this tragedy by making it about “sides.” Why do you want to be so divisive and petty at a time such as this? This is a time, in my opinion, when the nation needs to come together.

I dunno, why don't you ask Turtledude since I was responding to his post about left wing terrorism? You seem to have a blind spot where right wingers are concerned.
 
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First of all, I see nothing wrong with "there will be a rush to convict this white kid for hate". If that helps get him &#^!canned I think it's fine.

Secondly to your mention of a double standard... yes there are double standards. And again if this goes harder for this murderer that will be fine in my opinion. For every double standard that is unfair to white middle aged men (like me, for example) there are 10 double standards which are unfair to black people. It is an interesting thing to argue about, but it just doesn't apply to this situation.

Why would we complain that this murderer gets treated worse than some black counterpart might? It is the RIGHT thing for the book to come down hard in either case right? So justice will be served well here if your theory is right.

It makes exactly ZERO difference to this case... which is about what happens to HIM not to theoretical black perps.

You missed the point I was making with the other poster, who understood and agreed with me. I said that it makes no difference whether you commit pre-meditated murder as a hate crime or just first-degree murder. The penalties for either crime are the same, either execution or life imprisonment, so why have a hate crime law? It's totally absurd. Murder has always been wrong no matter what you call it.
 
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