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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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Something worth noting that gets lost in all the finger pointing is that since everyone disavows the actions of this monster it can be safely said that this act of violence isn't part of any of us, regardless of our ideology. This kind of senseless destruction is something alien to all of us here be we liberal, conservative, libertarian, Republican, Democrat or Green party.

Dylann Roof was a very sick individual who just so happened to likely espouse some beliefs of numerous ideologies, but trying to pick out some of his ideologies in order to pin him to your political adversaries is simply behaving exactly as Dylann Roof hoped we would react.
 
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The relevant statistic here is the no. of anti-Black hate groups per capita in SC vs. NY.

Support that statement with some sort of facts. Do you know how big these groups are? How many are anti black? Are anti black groups worse somehow than anti gay? anti jew? Anti white? Because I would suggest that having 3 million members in 2 groups is a lot worse than having 1 million in 10 groups. The number of groups is really irrelevant.

For instance. I would suggest that the Aryan Nation and Nation of Islam in NY have far more members than the Confederate Hammerskins and Bobs underground Seminar have.
 
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Congrats. You wrote the most disgusting post I've read in a very long time.

SC is one of the most disgusting places in the world, so any post about it would naturally be expected to be equally disgusting.
 
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The relevant statistic here is the no. of anti-Black hate groups per capita in SC vs. NY.

No, what is most relevant, as is my experience with dissecting SPLC statistics, is carefully reading their choice of "hate group" definition on the day they published a given piece of propaganda.
 
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SC is one of the most disgusting places in the world, so any post about it would naturally be expected to be equally disgusting.

You keep saying crap like this. Support it. You are just flaunting ignorance. Stop, educate yourself, then try again.
 
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Can you support that?

New York City alone has twice the population of SC which is approx 4.8 million.
 
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You mean have I ever wanted to travel back in time?

Georgia Teens Fed Up With Segregated Proms - ABC News

Oh...well that definitely shows that southerners are fist pumping the death of these individuals.

Here's a list of the most segregated cities in the country.
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-america-2013-11?op=1
Stuff like the article you shared pops up in the south but in other places segregation exists...with entire communities rarely coming into contact with one another.
Do we really have to go through and discuss how the midwest, west coast, and northeast has essentially created entire communities of blacks completely removed from the parts that white people frequent or work at? The High school I went to was 50% black and 50% white. Do those even exist outside of the south?
 
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New York City alone has twice the population of SC which is approx 4.8 million.

I am disputing the state populations. That is easily found. I am more interested in the claims that SC has a higher ratio of racists than NY or any other state. I don't know of any way to substantiate that type of claim. People are jumping to the conclusion that this nut job represents white people in SC. There is nothing to support that. The claim that this guy is being worshipped by the whites in SC because all or most of the whites in SC are racist is about as ignorant as anything Ive seen on DP, and I've seen quite a bit of ignorance on here.
 
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You mean have I ever wanted to travel back in time?

Georgia Teens Fed Up With Segregated Proms - ABC News

You mean to tell me that a small GA town of about 1200, many of who's own residents were opposed to this, is proof that SC is the most racist state in the country. Well I guess you got me there. If that isn't iron clad I dont know what is.
 
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SC is one of the most disgusting places in the world, so any post about it would naturally be expected to be equally disgusting.



I live here. You know not whereof you speak... you're just spewing ignorant bigotry and mindless hate exactly like Dylann Roof and the Klan.


And that's the nicest thing I can manage to say in response to your mindless drivel.
 
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It's exactly what he said. It was as stupid a presumption as solletica saying that this murderer is going to be hailed as a hero in the south.

You're referring to the outcome of this guy's trial, in which he will almost certainly be found guilty.

That's because the prosecutor in this case will be extremely careful to specifically select members of the jury who aren't racist, during the voir dire process. Despite SC being racist, state officials know better than to let that racism be unnecessarily exposed nationwide.

They key word there is unnecessarily. It's not going to cut it, because the trial of the White cop who shot Walter Scott will have the opposite outcome--he'll be found not guilty of murder since, unlike the trial of this perp who shot dead all these church members, the prosecutor will be obligated to side w/the defendant (a cop) in picking jury members.

And then SC's reputation will become very clear to the rest of the county, if it hasn't already hasn't :)
 
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I've been talking to lots of people here in SC. Everyone is appalled and heartbroken. Not one person, not even the scruffiest redneck, has said one word of affirmation of Roof or his actions in my hearing.



That some people are using this tragedy to push their ignorant and bigoted view of white southerners is sick.
 
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You're referring to the outcome of this guy's trial, in which he will almost certainly be found guilty.

That's because the prosecutor in this case will be extremely careful to specifically select members of the jury who aren't racist, during the voir dire process. Despite SC being racist, state officials know better than to let that racism be unnecessarily exposed nationwide.

They key word there is unnecessarily. It's not going to cut it, because the trial of the White cop who shot Walter Scott will have the opposite outcome--he'll be found not guilty of murder since, unlike the trial of this perp who shot dead all these church members, the prosecutor will be obligated to side w/the defendant (a cop) in picking jury members.

And then SC's reputation will become very clear to the rest of the county, if it hasn't already hasn't :)

Are you just trolling this thread? Seriously. Are you?

Walter Scott has nothing to do with any of this. But along those lines the idea that the prosecution is siding with the defendant is rediculous. The prosecutor is going to try and likely succeed at convicting that cop. The prosecutor charged him with first degree murder, and he has no bail. The only difference between the cop and this kid is the number of charges as far as prosecution is going to be concerned.
 
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It's exactly what he said. It was as stupid a presumption as solletica saying that this murderer is going to be hailed as a hero in the south.

We can all come up with "good examples" of everything. The Westboro Baptists aren't representative of Baptists. Susan Smith isn't representative of mothers. Ted Bundy wasn't representative of northwest law students. Charles Manson wasn't representative of song writing hippies.

There are racists in this country. There are also sexists, ageists, and on and on and on. No ****. You think anyone thinks otherwise?

Glen habitually and repeatedly says the south is racist. There are racists in the south. To anyone with half of a functioning brain that does not mean the south is racist.

What he says is there is a large racist element of racism, which is a holdover from centuries of state enforced racism that wasn't officially over until after I was born, and that the South is a relative holdout compared to the rest of the country. I don't have any doubt that's true.

I'm not sure why it's at all controversial to point out that the South is different (i.e. racism is more widespread) than the NE or the Mountain West. It just is, and for reasons that are simple to identify. Anyone born in the South pre-1970 or so had parents (on average) who fought like heck to preserve Jim Crow in this region. That just affects lifetime attitudes for millions living and voting right now.
 
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I've been talking to lots of people here in SC. Everyone is appalled and heartbroken. Not one person, not even the scruffiest redneck, has said one word of affirmation of Roof or his actions in my hearing. That some people are using this tragedy to push their ignorant and bigoted view of white southerners is sick.
Quite right. They may not have the gun in their hand but they are encouraging hatreds as certain as whoever had this influence on Roof.
 
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Oh...well that definitely shows that southerners are fist pumping the death of these individuals.

Here's a list of the most segregated cities in the country.
Most Segregated Cities In America - Business Insider

Sorry, demographic segregation, which may have historical roots in racism, is not evidence of current institutional racism, since it's not forced,

as opposed to sanctioned segregation--the case of the prom cited above, which is.

Can you cite other areas of the country not in South where there are still segregated proms?
 
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I am disputing the state populations. That is easily found. I am more interested in the claims that SC has a higher ratio of racists than NY or any other state. I don't know of any way to substantiate that type of claim. People are jumping to the conclusion that this nut job represents white people in SC. There is nothing to support that. The claim that this guy is being worshipped by the whites in SC because all or most of the whites in SC are racist is about as ignorant as anything Ive seen on DP, and I've seen quite a bit of ignorance on here.

I am disputing the statements made in post #691
 
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SC is one of the most disgusting places in the world, so any post about it would naturally be expected to be equally disgusting.

Congrats again. You managed to post an even more disgusting comment with no basis in fact.

I feel sorry for people like you.
 
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What he says is there is a large racist element of racism, which is a holdover from centuries of state enforced racism that wasn't officially over until after I was born, and that the South is a relative holdout compared to the rest of the country. I don't have any doubt that's true.

I'm not sure why it's at all controversial to point out that the South is different (i.e. racism is more widespread) than the NE or the Mountain West. It just is, and for reasons that are simple to identify. Anyone born in the South pre-1970 or so had parents (on average) who fought like heck to preserve Jim Crow in this region. That just affects lifetime attitudes for millions living and voting right now.

If you want to see some really nasty racism, go live in Chicago for a year or two. Martin Luther King even said Chicago was far more racist than any southern state.
 
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I've been talking to lots of people here in SC.

The people you choose to talk to are not a representative sample of the White population in SC.

A representative sample means a large random sample of all Whites living in SC.

And we know what that representative sample thinks by the pols they've elected throughout SC's legislative districts, who apparently have decided that it's still OK to fly the Confederate flag in the statehouse. . .

Confederate flag flying over South Carolina State House sparks controversy on social media | abc13.com

And we also know that SC is a state where local police depts. apparently are unofficially allowed to shoot Black people at will, having grown accustomed to doing so, until someone happened to catch one of them on video doing it.

If you want to prove to us that SC is not racist, then you will have to explain why the prosecutor in the Michael Slager case, Scarlett Wilson, opted for a grand jury indictment of the cop, when it wasn't even legally necessary (look it up if you like)--she could've simply pressed murder charges, causing the case to go straight to trial.

Everyone is appalled and heartbroken. Not one person, not even the scruffiest redneck, has said one word of affirmation of Roof or his actions in my hearing.

CORRECTION: Decent people are appalled and heartbroken.

And you can't credibly make statements about what "scruffiest rednecks" believe about this incident unless you've spoken to every one of them in the state about it. Otherwise, you're making a generalization based on a small biased sample.

Incidentally, I know what it's like to grow up in a racist state. I grew up in the Phoenix, AZ, area, one of the most bigoted anti-immigrant places in the country. Like you, I never knew or spoke to anyone who was representative of that kind of bigotry--I was just never around them. But I certainly never felt an obligation to defend that place simply because I grew up there.

I also knew better than to believe that what the majority of people think in a community in which I live is a reflection on me. It's not necessary to defend the place where I live or grew up in order to prove that I, personally, am not racist.

That some people are using this tragedy to push their ignorant and bigoted view of white southerners is sick.

:rolleyes: this tragedy is irrelevant to that fact--there's plenty of other evidence to substantiate SC's racism--see above.
 
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The people you choose to talk to are not a representative sample of the White population in SC.

A representative sample means a large random sample of all Whites living in SC.

And we know what that representative sample thinks by the pols they've elected throughout SC's legislative districts, who apparently have decided that it's still OK to fly the Confederate flag in the statehouse. . .

Confederate flag flying over South Carolina State House sparks controversy on social media | abc13.com

And we also know that SC is a state where local police depts. apparently are unofficially allowed to shoot Black people at will, having grown accustomed to doing so, until someone happened to catch one of them on video doing it.

If you want to prove to us that SC is not racist, then you will have to explain why the prosecutor in the Michael Slager case, Scarlett Wilson, opted for a grand jury indictment of the cop, when it wasn't even legally necessary (look it up if you like)--she could've simply pressed murder charges, causing the case to go straight to trial.



CORRECTION: Decent people are appalled and heartbroken.

And you can't credibly make statements about what "scruffiest rednecks" believe about this incident unless you've spoken to every one of them in the state about it. Otherwise, you're making a generalization based on a small biased sample.

Incidentally, I know what it's like to grow up in a racist state. I grew up in the Phoenix, AZ, area, one of the most bigoted anti-immigrant places in the country. Like you, I never knew or spoke to anyone who was representative of that kind of bigotry--I was just never around them. But I certainly never felt an obligation to defend that place simply because I grew up there.

I also knew better than to believe that what the majority of people think in a community in which I live is a reflection on me. It's not necessary to defend the place where I live or grew up in order to prove that I, personally, am not racist.



:rolleyes: this tragedy is irrelevant to that fact--there's plenty of other evidence to substantiate SC's racism--see above.

Seriously. You are arguing with someone who lives in SC about what life is like there because of stupid **** you read on the internet. Someone who lives there. You've never been there, just read articles. Do you realize how you sound?
 
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You mean to tell me that a small GA town of about 1200, many of who's own residents were opposed to this, is proof that SC is the most racist state in the country.

The poster to whom I was responding was asking about the South, not SC.
 
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Seriously. You are arguing with someone who lives in SC about what life is like there because of stupid **** you read on the internet. Someone who lives there. You've never been there, just read articles. Do you realize how you sound?

I'm citing evidence based on the large sample of Whites in the state, as opposed to personal experience, which isn't valid (since it's based on a small, isolated, and typically biased sample).
 
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