Thread: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

... You know?

Sooo... Out of curiosity, would you put the same emphasis on the identity or political beliefs of that one nutbar who shot up the Family Research Council a few years back - You know, the Asian, gay, atheist, radical environmentalist Left Winger, with a deranged hatred of heterosexual "breeders" and Conservatives in general, who shot and attempted to kill a security guard in cold blood (and was planning to kill more) while carrying armfuls of Chick-fil-A sandwiches - or is it only the crazy white guys who warrant this kind of scrutiny?

Originally Posted by Lutherf

Out of curiosity, if every single injustice, actual or imagined, against a black person is considered to be a sign of racial antipathy then how are we ever going to overcome this perceived disparity? People no longer seek solutions to racial issues. They only seek to use every incident to press their sociopolitical agenda.

It seems probable that this was a racially-motivated incident, but we don't know much yet TMK.


However there is a certain irony that after Fort Hood, where a man of Middle Eastern descent shot several people, the government and media were immediately saying "It's not terrorism!" before there's ANY way they could know that... but today the government and media are crying "hate crime!" loud and clear, before there's any way they could know that for certain.

Originally Posted by Hatuey

They don't need to be. Unless your contention is that police officers in OH receive an extremely different training than police in SC and NJ. If that's the case, then in that case, there is clearly something wrong with OH's training given their results.

All PD forces have slightly different ways of responding to given threats. A lot depends on the risk to the officers and the amount and type of crime in the specific community. Officers in Baltimore have different procedures than do officers in Podunk, Nebraska, for obvious reasons. Add the fact that no two people react in exactly the same way, and that no two incidents are identical and it becomes a practice in intellectual dishonesty to attempt to draw parallels. It's meaningless.

Originally Posted by reinoe

The man is a conservative so there are some given facts that go along with that...

Please do enlighten us on what those facts are.

Originally Posted by haymarket

Why are some here obviously afraid of answering the questions as to what made this man this so extremely racist that he would this?

Answer that and wisdom will follow.

I'm not afraid of anything. I'm also not someone who participates in faulty analysis from the cheap seats.

Out of curiosity, if the murderer happened to be "conservative", self-identified so, as you clearly for some reason hope he is, what about his affinity to conservative ideology would lead him to murder 9 black people in a church? I'd love to know because I sure don't want to wake up one day and find myself taking target practice in a neighbourhood church. So save me, please.

Originally Posted by iliveonramen

Both are ideology based crimes. They both generally try to make people change their activities. The whole purpose behind the acts of the KKK was to punish whites and blacks for acting like races where equal. If you were a white that served a black? Cross on your lawn and who knows what else. If you were a black that wanted to be served in a white only establishment? Probably a noose. The purpose of white supremacist is to change activities and lifestyles. To force conflict between races or punish groups they target.

It's the same freaking thing...in fact if we didn't have such a long history of racial motivated terrorism it would probably just be labeled under terrorism.

But, none of that changes the fact that we can logically only punish "crimes" not "thoughts." It's fine to say that this crime was bred in the mind of a hateful racist - but that still doesn't change the actual crime, which was killing. There should be no difference in punishment between this man and the freak who shot up the theater in Aurora. Same thing. Both are killers. The only victims are those who died and their families.

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Lmao, aren't you the guy who attached a video of black kids fighting to an entire race of people? Yeah, I doubt anybody on the other side of the isle cares about what you find remarkable as far as painting with wide brushes goes.

No, I'm not. I'm the guy who rightly claimed that a video posted in an OP, not posted by me, another of your lies, showing a group of young black gang bangers kicking, punching, spitting on and otherwise assaulting another young black man said more about black America than it said about the American justice system. I never once claimed it represented an entire race, irrespective of your lying attempts to make it appear so.

But hey, I'm not interested in feeding your need to troll so if you have something to offer about this thread, post it up and if I'm interested in your bleatings I might respond.

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

The shooter literally told his victims "You rape our women and are taking over country." He literally took a picture of himself wearing a jacket with the flag of white supremacist Rhodesia and the flag of apartheid South Africa sown into it. Anybody bending over backwards to pretend that this was not a racist attack is a ****ing psychotic apologist. What makes their stupidity even worse is that even though they are reluctant to call this single individual a racist, they would be more than eager to brand the entire black population violent if one black person committed a a similar crime and eager to brand the entire Muslim population violent if one Muslim committed a similar attack.

Not pointing a finger at you directly, but in general doesn't the opposite side do the exact opposite? Many people would also point a finger at whites while adamantly claiming it's not all Muslims? I agree fully it's a double standard, but the opposite double standard isn't any different.