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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    He was a twisted **** was what he was. Being a "conservative" doesn't paint all conservatives with the same brush that was used by the other poster. And one interview with one classmate doesn't make it a fact. His political lean has nothing to do with what took place. From what we have seen and heard so far, this was motivated by race and race alone. And the party of racists isn't the "conservative" one anyway.
    That's nice. I'm just saying that there is evidence that he was a conservative. Everyone can decide if that has any implications for themselves.
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union that turned sour.
    No evidence to go with that I assume?
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.
    FFS...I wasn't making a point about sentencing/punishment, and if you had any comprehension of what I have been arguing, you would have understood that instantly.

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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union that turned sour.
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Terrorism is usually an act designed to make people change their activities and lifestyles out of fear. Hate crimes - or mass shootings, like the one in the Connecticut, are more about freaks seeking some unspecified "revenge" for real or imagined wrongs. The school shooting struck more terror into parents' hearts than did 9-11, but it was still just a crime. The shooter here - will, hopefully - get the death penalty, but not because he "hated" rather because he pulled that trigger and slaughtered human beings. The tag of "hate crime" just gets in the way. It means nothing.
    Both are ideology based crimes. They both generally try to make people change their activities. The whole purpose behind the acts of the KKK was to punish whites and blacks for acting like races where equal. If you were a white that served a black? Cross on your lawn and who knows what else. If you were a black that wanted to be served in a white only establishment? Probably a noose. The purpose of white supremacist is to change activities and lifestyles. To force conflict between races or punish groups they target.

    It's the same freaking thing...in fact if we didn't have such a long history of racial motivated terrorism it would probably just be labeled under terrorism.
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    There's lots of evidence that he was a conservative. There's some evidence that he was a Republican. He's definitely a Christian.
    As a Christian I take issue with this declaration. He may have "identified" as a Christian, but he is no more Christian than Rachael Dolezal is black. Less really.

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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Really!?

    Why would it not be a hate crime if the church was white?

    Does not all murder require hate?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    Based on what's now being reported (see below), I don't think there's any doubt this was a hate crime based on hatred of Black people. But let's assume the guy hadn't been caught yet and there were no witnesses to attest to what they heard or were told first or second hand.

    It's easy to assume right off the bat that this was a racially motivated hate crime, i.e., white guy shots up a church killing 8-9 innocent Black people. But one of the victims was the church's Pastor and a SC Senator. From this, you could reasonable conclude that:

    1) the shooter might not have liked the church's community out-reach.

    2) the shooter didn't like something a specific church member did and took his anger out on whomever he saw around him during the Bible study session he attended.

    3) the shooter didn't like the Senator Pinckney; maybe he was pushing a piece of legislation the shooter disagreed with.

    Three very possible motives that have nothing to do with race. But like I said, I think it's safe to call this a hate crime based on comments from the lone survivor as reported by a third party.

    [Dylan] Roof,[ the 21-year-old white gunman,] sat with churchgoers inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church for about an hour on Wednesday before opening fire, Police Chief Gregory Mullen said.

    He reloaded five times even as victims pleaded with him to stop, a relative of [Pastor & SC Senator] Pinckney's said. Sylvia Johnson, a cousin, told MSNBC that a survivor told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.

    "He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.
    Source: Suspect in killing of nine at black U.S. church arrested -officials

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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    There is a forum for this sort of stuff, it's called "Conspiracy Theories".
    Is there a forum for those who insist on wearing blindfolds?
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Not really. Unless, you're suggesting the same officers were at all three events.
    They don't need to be. Unless your contention is that police officers in OH receive an extremely different training than police in SC and NJ. If that's the case, then in that case, there is clearly something wrong with OH's training given their results.
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    re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.
    We are discussing a unique individual here, and who knows what's in the twisted mind of a mass murderer?

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...murder-motives

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