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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no it doesn't so stop fibbing

    Mexico has far worse gun control than we do and far higher murder rates. and you are in no position to say what other people state about their country's gun control schemes

    you spend a lot of time on this board bashing gun owners for the simple fact that you don't like our politics and you then complain that we point that out

    your posts don't even pretend your attacks on gun ownership is motivated by some faux public safety concern
    Poor you. So persecuted.

    How about you look at a first world developed nation?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Poor you. So persecuted.

    How about you look at a first world developed nation?
    so each time you get schooled on posting nonsense, you change the goal posts

    how is the murder rate in Russia these days?

    and I am not persecuted, I am well armed. But your goal is purely to harass gun owners.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    can I point out one reality to the liberals here: Guns are NEVER going to be outlawed.

    Guns have as much of a chance of being outlawed as ABORTION has of being outlawed. The issues are different but so very similar.

    my point is this: when liberals make statements about how guns should be outlawed you sound EVERY BIT OUT OF TOUCH as those who say they want abortion outlawed. You are living in a fantasy world, NOT the current world the rest of us live in.

    just letting you know how you come off. think about it

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    can I point out one reality to the liberals here: Guns are NEVER going to be outlawed.

    Guns have as much of a chance of being outlawed as ABORTION has of being outlawed. The issues are different but so very similar.

    my point is this: when liberals make statements about how guns should be outlawed you sound EVERY BIT OUT OF TOUCH as those who say they want abortion outlawed. You are living in a fantasy world, NOT the current world the rest of us live in.

    just letting you know how you come off. think about it
    all sorts of guns have been outlawed in some states

    your point is mainly sound but guns have been banned. DC banned handguns until the supremes bitch slapped the city. Chicago-same result

    the standard issue military rifle is banned in the USA

    things are getting better but we still need to wash away the stench of gun banning
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I didn't read his manifesto. But normal people don't write manifestos that is for sure. But let me explain something though:
    No, normal people don't. I agree this guy is not normal.

    You don't just "develop" these things. They don't pop up over a year or 2. They develop over years. And sometimes the person who seems to just "snap" displayed warning signs that were missed. Like with this kid: increasing involvement in a hate group? Petty criminal crap? Drug use? Does that seriously not sound to you like he was devolving? He began fixating on this stuff. Yes. But are you seriously going to suggest his fixation on racist bull**** is the cause and not the symptom?
    Yes. I do think the racist propaganda he was the cause of his action, and not a symptom of a different underlying mental illness. Now I am basing that off of what I have heard and read about him prior to his looking up Martin. Personal accounts of his personality from friends and family paint a different picture of this kid from prior to and after him reading up on information from these hate groups.

    The evidence here just seems VERY strong that he wasn't just a "race motivated" murderer. He lashed out in much the same way we see other mass shooters. The only wrinkle was he didn't target society, he targeted a SPECIFIC subculture in society. That alone doesn't erase the fact that this kid had problems. Problems back in high school too.
    I haven't heard anything about his problems in high school. That doens't mean they didnt exist, only that i haven't heard them.

    So tell me. So you honestly believe he is simply a race motivated murderer?
    At this point right now I think this was a kid who stumbled upon these sites and began reading. These people have a way of making people see things from their views. Almost like brainwashing. I am not sure of the right word to use.

    This was nothing more than a terrorist attack by a lone white supremacist?
    I think he is responsible for what he did, but I don't see it as a lone attack. There are other factors at play. He was steered toward this mindset, and was driven toward these actions. The actual was he was alone, but he was not alone. There have been a lot of people manipulated in similar ways. there are many more working toward it. It is not just the mentally ill who are suceptable to this kind of ****. We do need to address mental illness, and I am sure many mass murderers do suffer from mental illesses. But I don't see this incident as a mental health issue so much as I see it as a racist problem. These groups continually sow their seeds of hate, at some point these groups need to be addressed.

    Keep in mind that in Newtown...that kid targeted who he though were stealing his mom. Columbine saw "bullies" targeted. It is very similar across these incidents. You have to give me that at least.
    I view the Newtown murders more from confusion. I don't understand why that happened.

    Columbine I think those kids were pushed to the breaking point and snapped. I do think mental illness played a role. But I dont think the mental illness they suffered was natural. I think it was caused.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no it doesn't so stop fibbing

    Mexico has far worse gun control than we do and far higher murder rates. and you are in no position to say what other people state about their country's gun control schemes

    you spend a lot of time on this board bashing gun owners for the simple fact that you don't like our politics and you then complain that we point that out

    your posts don't even pretend your attacks on gun ownership is motivated by some faux public safety concern

    The TurtleDude is deep into the gun-loving culture but I do wonder how much he knows about other nation's attitudes toward gun control.

    This past weekend, the Washington Post provided a video of an Australian comic's take on America's gun fetish. I will provide the link but as the Post noted: Also, a warning: The video has adult language. Don't play too loudly at work or around kids!
    An Australian comic on what U.S. gun laws look like to the rest of the world - The Washington Post
    In the article is another link to an article on the various studies undertaken since Australian instituted strict gun ownership laws. The one finding that no one argued about was the steep drop in suicide rates following the change in gun laws. Did gun control work in Australia?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No, normal people don't. I agree this guy is not normal.



    Yes. I do think the racist propaganda he was the cause of his action, and not a symptom of a different underlying mental illness. Now I am basing that off of what I have heard and read about him prior to his looking up Martin. Personal accounts of his personality from friends and family paint a different picture of this kid from prior to and after him reading up on information from these hate groups.



    I haven't heard anything about his problems in high school. That doens't mean they didnt exist, only that i haven't heard them.



    At this point right now I think this was a kid who stumbled upon these sites and began reading. These people have a way of making people see things from their views. Almost like brainwashing. I am not sure of the right word to use.



    I think he is responsible for what he did, but I don't see it as a lone attack. There are other factors at play. He was steered toward this mindset, and was driven toward these actions. The actual was he was alone, but he was not alone. There have been a lot of people manipulated in similar ways. there are many more working toward it. It is not just the mentally ill who are suceptable to this kind of ****. We do need to address mental illness, and I am sure many mass murderers do suffer from mental illesses. But I don't see this incident as a mental health issue so much as I see it as a racist problem. These groups continually sow their seeds of hate, at some point these groups need to be addressed.



    I view the Newtown murders more from confusion. I don't understand why that happened.

    Columbine I think those kids were pushed to the breaking point and snapped. I do think mental illness played a role. But I dont think the mental illness they suffered was natural. I think it was caused.
    I can only respond to the bottom. I will do the rest later. But what you said in the last 2 is important. Really just the last. Mental illness, diagnosable and true psychological damage CAN be developed. And it can be caused by events in life. Drugs can do this (even marijuana to young users). Or post traumatic stress. I don't disagree with that about columbine.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so each time you get schooled on posting nonsense, you change the goal posts

    how is the murder rate in Russia these days?

    and I am not persecuted, I am well armed. But your goal is purely to harass gun owners.
    No goal post moving at all.

    I've been saying the same thing.

    You may be well armed with guns, but you aren't with logic, common sense, or shame.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The TurtleDude is deep into the gun-loving culture but I do wonder how much he knows about other nation's attitudes toward gun control.

    This past weekend, the Washington Post provided a video of an Australian comic's take on America's gun fetish. I will provide the link but as the Post noted: Also, a warning: The video has adult language. Don't play too loudly at work or around kids!
    An Australian comic on what U.S. gun laws look like to the rest of the world - The Washington Post
    In the article is another link to an article on the various studies undertaken since Australian instituted strict gun ownership laws. The one finding that no one argued about was the steep drop in suicide rates following the change in gun laws. Did gun control work in Australia?
    This comedian's nonsense has been on this board several times-generally pro rights advocates note how silly it is. Suicide is an interesting topic given so many people are advocating for assisted suicide these days. Its not a legitimate reason to restrict guns
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