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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Unfortunately, you are discussing an ex post facto (after the event) evaluation. Mental health specialists have warned us for years about signs indicating the potential for violence to be found in some individuals, unfortunately not every person who exhibits the signs goes on to commit violence against others. Who picks the ones who are to be refused a gun?
    That's the problem. Little can be done until after the crime has been committed.

    However the price for freedom can sometimes be quite high and this is the occasional price, sad though it is, that is often paid.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Of course we have a pathological rage problem.

    So does every nation in the world.

    Only in this country does that rage problem progress to regular, periodic mass murders.

    That's mostly thanks to our lax gun laws, compounded with a pathological gun culture.
    BS and stop pretending that what motivates the "anti gun culture" is public safety
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's the problem. Little can be done until after the crime has been committed.

    However the price for freedom can sometimes be quite high and this is the occasional price, sad though it is, that is often paid.
    and any attempts at prior restraint disarm a million honest victims for every kamikaze killer it slightly inconveniences.

    the people most likely to get a gun are those willing to die using one

    most gun banners have never figured out the difference between elastic and inelastic demand
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    duh, why clutter up the thread with this sort of nonsense? by definition a GUN SHOT would involves guns. So I ask-so what?
    We are Discussing the causes of why an obviously mentally deranged guy killed multiple people and had easy access to a gun.

    Not sure how bringing in discussion of how a guy like this got a gun, and why the culture around him was obviously OK with it could be considered 'clutter'.

    But then again, a rabid partisan would think that.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BS and stop pretending that what motivates the "anti gun culture" is public safety
    Yes. My entire point is to take your toys away and sentence you to an existence devoid of freedom. Like Europeans.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    We are Discussing the causes of why an obviously mentally deranged guy killed multiple people and had easy access to a gun.

    Not sure how bringing in discussion of how a guy like this got a gun, and why the culture around him was obviously OK with it could be considered 'clutter'.

    But then again, a rabid partisan would think that.
    your major fail is claiming that he wouldn't have obtained a gun if some laws you are unwilling to suggest-had been in place

    rabid partisan-whining about guns when this guy was a premeditated murderer. yeah, your desired gun laws would keep him from getting guns just like laws banning crack means we have no crack addicts
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yes. My entire point is to take your toys away and sentence you to an existence devoid of freedom. Like Europeans.
    yeah I know-your goal is to harass gun owners because we don't buy into your leftwing agenda. but we already knew that long before you admitted it.

    I don't believe anyone who actually spends time arguing this issue is stupid to the point of believing that their desired gun bans or gun restrictions are really going to have much impact on people willing to die to kill others. So the only rational conclusion is the desire is to harass honest gun owners
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    Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    He didn't just develop these views. He was taught these views. Not at a young age (best we can tell) but after becoming an adult. I don't think it is a coincidence that he started looking to murder when he started reading up on racist propaganda. I suppose there is a very very very slim chance that he happened to develop a disorder that made him suddenly prone to violence right when he started reading this crap, but more likely he read this crap and it grow hate. And hate for many turns to violence.

    Have you read his manifesto? Those aren't the words of a crazy person. Those are the words of someone who knew exactly what he was going to do, and why he was going to do it.
    I didn't read his manifesto. But normal people don't write manifestos that is for sure. But let me explain something though:

    You don't just "develop" these things. They don't pop up over a year or 2. They develop over years. And sometimes the person who seems to just "snap" displayed warning signs that were missed. Like with this kid: increasing involvement in a hate group? Petty criminal crap? Drug use? Does that seriously not sound to you like he was devolving? He began fixating on this stuff. Yes. But are you seriously going to suggest his fixation on racist bull**** is the cause and not the symptom?

    The evidence here just seems VERY strong that he wasn't just a "race motivated" murderer. He lashed out in much the same way we see other mass shooters. The only wrinkle was he didn't target society, he targeted a SPECIFIC subculture in society. That alone doesn't erase the fact that this kid had problems. Problems back in high school too.

    So tell me. So you honestly believe he is simply a race motivated murderer? This was nothing more than a terrorist attack by a lone white supremacist? Or do you think he showed signs of being your typical mass shooter with the added wrinkle of targeting blacks?

    Keep in mind that in Newtown...that kid targeted who he though were stealing his mom. Columbine saw "bullies" targeted. It is very similar across these incidents. You have to give me that at least.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah I know-your goal is to harass gun owners because we don't buy into your leftwing agenda. but we already knew that long before you admitted it.

    I don't believe anyone who actually spends time arguing this issue is stupid to the point of believing that their desired gun bans or gun restrictions are really going to have much impact on people willing to die to kill others. So the only rational conclusion is the desire is to harass honest gun owners
    Except for the fact that it works everyone here else in the world.

    Of course, people in other counties don't whine about 'being harassed' much as you do though.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Except for the fact that it works everyone here else in the world.

    Of course, people in other counties don't whine about 'being harassed' much as you do though.
    no it doesn't so stop fibbing

    Mexico has far worse gun control than we do and far higher murder rates. and you are in no position to say what other people state about their country's gun control schemes

    you spend a lot of time on this board bashing gun owners for the simple fact that you don't like our politics and you then complain that we point that out

    your posts don't even pretend your attacks on gun ownership is motivated by some faux public safety concern
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