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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    you are again dishonestly confusing the Hughes amendment with the 1934 NFA and since you don't understand it but support it because gun owners don't like it-it proves my point that your support for gun restrictions is based on your dislike of people who don't buy into your leftwing agenda
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    Boy, it is clear that the last thing you want to do is directly take me on. You steer clear of the subject, and comment on the fringe stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being debated. I quoted someone, and instead of taking on the quote, you focus on the fact that I used a quote! LOL! You can't make this stuff up!

    I've been saying for years that the left must use tactics like misleading and staying away from the point to be involved in debates. You've proved that out, once again.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    In cases this extreme there may be little practical difference. But not all cases are this extreme.

    As a culture we have prided ourselves on protecting the freedom of people to be who they are, worship whom they will, speak with freedom and live with dignity. Murder based on race, creed, etc is even more disruptive to our social structure than murder alone.

    I read the double standard bugs you.. I get it. I just think it's so far from the POINT of today it doesn't really matter.
    Murder will always be murder no matter how you color it.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Reading this and similar threads makes it hard to disagree with this assessment:

    " The tragedy in Charleston last week will no doubt lead to more discussion of several important and recurring issues in American culture—particularly racism and gun violence—but these dialogues are unlikely to bear much fruit until the nation undertakes a serious self-examination. Decrying racism and gun violence is fine, but for too long America’s social dysfunction has continued to intensify as the nation has ignored a key underlying pathology: anti-intellectualism.

    America is killing itself through its embrace and exaltation of ignorance, and the evidence is all around us. Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter who used race as a basis for hate and mass murder, is just the latest horrific example. Many will correctly blame Roof's actions on America's culture of racism and gun violence, but it's time to realize that such phenomena are directly tied to the nation's culture of ignorance. ... "

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Nope. They are different. And both work.
    yep, both work to harass people you despise because of their politics

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Reading this and similar threads makes it hard to disagree with this assessment:

    " The tragedy in Charleston last week will no doubt lead to more discussion of several important and recurring issues in American culture—particularly racism and gun violence—but these dialogues are unlikely to bear much fruit until the nation undertakes a serious self-examination. Decrying racism and gun violence is fine, but for too long America’s social dysfunction has continued to intensify as the nation has ignored a key underlying pathology: anti-intellectualism.

    America is killing itself through its embrace and exaltation of ignorance, and the evidence is all around us. Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter who used race as a basis for hate and mass murder, is just the latest horrific example. Many will correctly blame Roof's actions on America's culture of racism and gun violence, but it's time to realize that such phenomena are directly tied to the nation's culture of ignorance. ... "

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...illing-america
    yeah the author of that is a real winner

    Having served as president of two Washington-based national advocacy organizations, David Niose has been immersed in secular-progressive politics and the culture wars for over a decade. Niose joined the board of the American Humanist Association (AHA) in 2005, seeing secular-progressive activism as a means of combating the disastrous policies of the Bush-Cheney administration and its conservative allies.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Reading this and similar threads makes it hard to disagree with this assessment:

    " The tragedy in Charleston last week will no doubt lead to more discussion of several important and recurring issues in American culture—particularly racism and gun violence—but these dialogues are unlikely to bear much fruit until the nation undertakes a serious self-examination. Decrying racism and gun violence is fine, but for too long America’s social dysfunction has continued to intensify as the nation has ignored a key underlying pathology: anti-intellectualism.

    America is killing itself through its embrace and exaltation of ignorance, and the evidence is all around us. Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter who used race as a basis for hate and mass murder, is just the latest horrific example. Many will correctly blame Roof's actions on America's culture of racism and gun violence, but it's time to realize that such phenomena are directly tied to the nation's culture of ignorance. ... "

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...illing-america
    Anti intellectualism is right. Why? Because only someone who has no intellect would look at this situation and blame guns and racism. Let me ask you a serious question: how many racists are there in this country?

    The answer is plenty. If racism CAUSED this incident...then why don't we see more race related mass murders? Now do you think this kids racism was the biggest factor in what caused the shooting? Because that ignores that there are racists all over the place, and few engage in mass shootings.

    Any guns? Guns being part of the problem? 3 things:

    1) 0.02% of firearms owners commit murder.
    2) Mass murder is even LESS common.
    3) There are many racist people who own guns. They STILL don't commit mass murder.

    So it isn't access to guns, it isn't gun ownership, and it isn't racism that caused this issue. So as far as "anti intellectualism goes" I agree...it is the people who are constantly focusing on the non issue. The issues that are politically expedient and great to talk about because they hurt your rival politicians and their lobby group. ESPECIALLY with an upcoming election cycle.

    Why aren't we talking about the fact that relatively few people commit this kind of act? Why aren't we asking for a special behavioral analysis group to begin testing and evaluation of the mentally violent and unstable? How many times do people have to go on murdering with knives and guns and all this, until some scumbag politician finally decides that the interests of America might be better served in looking at the root cause of violence.

    You want more gun control? That means more cops to enforce it? Last I checked the democrats were up in arms over police brutality? Who the hell is going to deal with more gun control? The incompetent ATF? Seriously. All of the stuff piling up and we STILL are not hearing calls for improved mental health care.

    No. Let's continue on our self involved Facebook world and ignore the consequences of our increasingly cut off culture that isolates these lunatics even further from help.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    The question: "Why aren't we asking for a special behavioral analysis group to begin testing and evaluation of the mentally violent and unstable?" is at first glance a reasonable question but then one must ask how do we determine who is "mentally violent and unstable" before they commit an act of violence? Is every American to be subjected to a psychological evaluation?
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I apologize for having hurt your feelings.
    Oh, now you are off to "hurt feelings", LOL! You just keep proving my point, over and over.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The question: "Why aren't we asking for a special behavioral analysis group to begin testing and evaluation of the mentally violent and unstable?" is at first glance a reasonable question but then one must ask how do we determine who is "mentally violent and unstable" before they commit an act of violence? Is every American to be subjected to a psychological evaluation?
    No. That would be wrong. But how many warning signs do we know of for serial killers? Or arsonists? Now mass murderers? How can we even begin to deal with this if we don't look at it?

    For one...this asshole in SC can be evaluated. Any of them caught alive can. It can be court ordered. Additionally, any person who makes threats and is caught? Any computer records or diaries of the dead criminals as well. Not every American must Be studied. There are groups that can be isolated. We have already done this for some of the characteristics. Law enforcement profiled them a little. And most say the will commit the act, and most have a history of violence.
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