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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Actually, that is false. It isn't the race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc., of the attacker and victim that determine if it is a hate crime. What makes it a hate crime is if you pick the victim based on their race, gender, religion, etc. If a white person sets out to beat up a random white person because he hates white people, that is a hate crime. On the other hand, if a white person sets out to beat up a random person, and the first person he comes across is black, and he beats him up, that is not a hate crime.

    There actually are quite a few cases of people being convicted of hate crimes against people on the basis of a demographic characteristic they share. Gay people who have complexes about their own sexuality that take that out on other gay people by beating them up for being gay, for example, are convicted of hate crimes.
    See my post above yours.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    We're right in the middle of talking about a situation where an open white supremacist walked into a black church screaming "I am here to kill black people" and murdered 9 people, and most the conservative pundits, posters and candidates went to great lengths either denying that it was racist or saying that there is no way to tell if that is racist. The reality is, conservatives in the US either can't or won't see racism no matter how blatant it is.

    So, your conservative friends might be saying extremely racist stuff all the time and you would still think you had never heard them say anything racist. Heck, given the display of conservative denial in the wake of this tragedy, it would seem plausible that even if your conservative friends were going around killing black people while screaming "I am killing you because I hate black people", as a conservative, you might still be convinced that you haven't seen any racism from your friends. You yourself might be saying extremely racist stuff all the time and for whatever reason, be blocking it out as nearly all conservatives seem to do all the time. Heck, the KKK itself passionately contends that it isn't racist. They have some whole rationale worked out about how they define racism and what is truly in their hearts and all that and they seem to sincerely believe that they have been falsely accused of being racists....
    Lol !

    The KKK has historic Democrat roots and I'm no Democrat.

    Maybe you people are looking for racism in the wrong party

    If I were you I would defer to History.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    We're right in the middle of talking about a situation where an open white supremacist walked into a black church screaming "I am here to kill black people" and murdered 9 people, and most the conservative pundits, posters and candidates went to great lengths either denying that it was racist or saying that there is no way to tell if that is racist. The reality is, conservatives in the US either can't or won't see racism no matter how blatant it is.

    So, your conservative friends might be saying extremely racist stuff all the time and you would still think you had never heard them say anything racist. Heck, given the display of conservative denial in the wake of this tragedy, it would seem plausible that even if your conservative friends were going around killing black people while screaming "I am killing you because I hate black people", as a conservative, you might still be convinced that you haven't seen any racism from your friends. You yourself might be saying extremely racist stuff all the time and for whatever reason, be blocking it out as nearly all conservatives seem to do all the time. Heck, the KKK itself passionately contends that it isn't racist. They have some whole rationale worked out about how they define racism and what is truly in their hearts and all that and they seem to sincerely believe that they have been falsely accused of being racists....
    Lol !

    The KKK has historic Democrat roots and I'm no Democrat.

    Maybe you people are looking for racism in the wrong party

    If I were you I would defer to History.
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

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    You will never get them to admit that though. We have offered solutions such as enforcing the laws directing the law enforcement community and mental health counseling profession to report the mentally ill to the national background check database and fix the revolving door criminal justice system. All the gun haters can offer is: "Ban duh guns!".
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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You can 'take' it anyway you wish - don't mean you are correct
    What is not in doubt is that you had no logical come back to the point that the gun control crowd is going after gun owners in general rather then focusing on the real causes of gun violence. It's a question of motives.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    See my post above yours.
    The one where you said "Clearly you do not understand Federal Hate crimes statutes."?

    If so, I certainly do understand how federal hate crime statutes work. I'm a lawyer. They work as I described.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    The one where you said "Clearly you do not understand Federal Hate crimes statutes."?

    If so, I certainly do understand how federal hate crime statutes work. I'm a lawyer. They work as I described.
    Then Mr Lawyer, LOL, post white on white hate crimes. Name a few. Based solely on skin color and or race.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    The KKK has historic Democrat roots and I'm no Democrat.

    Maybe you people are looking for racism in the wrong party

    If I were you I would defer to History.
    If we were having this discussion 50 years ago, you would arguably have a point. Even 50 years ago, the point wouldn't be that clear. Dixiecrats were socially conservative/economically liberal. Over time, they switched to being economically conservative- prompted by resentment of welfare, which they saw as being about taking money from whites and giving it to blacks. So, when the Democrats joined with some Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act, the Dixiecrats jumped ship and became Republicans en masse. Today, the folks who would have been Dixiecrats in those days are the tea party.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then Mr Lawyer, LOL, post white on white hate crimes. Name a few. Based solely on skin color and or race.
    I don't know of an example of a white person committing a race-based hate crime against a white person. That just isn't something that really happens- a person hating their own race enough that they want to attack somebody based on being the same race as them is a pretty bizarre scenario. But, if it happened, it would be a hate crime.

    What I said was that there are examples of people getting hate crime convictions for attacking somebody based on a shared characteristic. The cases that come to mind are gay people who have issues about their sexuality that attack other gay people for being gay as some kind of psycho way of grappling with their own issues. That's happened a lot of times. In fact, arguably most anti-gay hate crime involves a perpetrator who is gay. Straight people generally don't get that worked up about gay people's sex lives.

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    Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all you have to do is cite the Hughes amendment for proof that gun control is about harassing gun owners, not stopping crime
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