Thread: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

Originally Posted by sangha

I didn't say that he didn't do anything wrong either. Nor did I say that I support his expulsion.

Try to address something I've actually said.



According to Amherst, he wasn't expelled "for no reason".

According to him he was. And according to the evidence presented that I've heard. There is nothing pointing to guilt here except her words, sometimes, because sometimes she says it was consensual.

Originally Posted by American

Well this approach is not a solution, and convicting the innocent won't reduce rapes.

This guy wasn't "convicted" of anything.

A private business decided that they didn't want him as a customer.

On the one hand conservatives and FOX News argue that a business should be able to refuse service to anyone they want (as long as that "anyone" is gay), yet on the other hand they argue that business should be required to provide service to anyone who wants it.

Do you even double-standard, bro?

His lawsuit is frivolous and stupid:

The suit seeks $75,000 and names the school, President Carolyn Martin and several officials for moving “with enormous speed to expel John Doe, eject him from the campus, and destroy his reputation.”

Destroy whose reputation?

Oh, right, John Doe's.

Yeah, I won't be doing any business with that "John Doe" any time in the near future, I tell you!



dude needs to quit being a crybaby looking for an easy payday, take his transcripts to some other university somewhere, finish his degree, and move on with his life.

Yeah, I know, sometimes the world isn't "fair".

Boo, hoo.

Suck it up and quit being such a pansy.

Originally Posted by Kreton

Yea there is. From the article you posted, that you are telling others to read;


What’s more, the lawsuit also asserts that the action taken against John Doe, who is Asian-American, is part of a pattern since 2013 in which the college has sanctioned only “male students of color’’ for sexual misconduct

You're right. In this case, there is an accusation of discrimination.

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Well, I just read your article, again and the closest I could find about any type of "evidence" that the guy committed sexual misconduct was this....



No other evidence what so ever. The only "evidence" that I see is that she accused him of rape and that's it.

There is other evidence (ex he admits to having sex and being drunk)

Originally Posted by Kreton

According to him he was.

IOW, it's wrong for the school to believe the accuser based only on her accusation, but it's OK for you to believe the accussed based only on his accusation

Originally Posted by sangha

IOW, it's wrong for the school to believe the accuser based only on her accusation, but it's OK for you to believe the accussed based only on his accusation

His words, And her words. And in the fact that no evidence of wrong doing took place.

Originally Posted by sangha

There is other evidence (ex he admits to having sex and being drunk)

If drinking and or sex is grounds for expulsion, colleges are going to have a hell of a time keeping classrooms full.

Originally Posted by Kreton

His words, And her words. And in the fact that no evidence of wrong doing took place.

But you dismiss accusations when it comes from the female and accept them when they come from the male

And there is evidence of wrong doing taking place.

Originally Posted by soot

This guy wasn't "convicted" of anything.

A private business decided that they didn't want him as a customer.

On the one hand conservatives and FOX News argue that a business should be able to refuse service to anyone they want (as long as that "anyone" is gay), yet on the other hand they argue that business should be required to provide service to anyone who wants it.

Do you even double-standard, bro?

His lawsuit is frivolous and stupid:



Destroy whose reputation?

Oh, right, John Doe's.

Yeah, I won't be doing any business with that "John Doe" any time in the near future, I tell you!



dude needs to quit being a crybaby looking for an easy payday, take his transcripts to some other university somewhere, finish his degree, and move on with his life.

Yeah, I know, sometimes the world isn't "fair".

Boo, hoo.

Suck it up and quit being such a pansy.

Is that supposed to be our response to allegations of racism? Boo hoo and suck it up?

Originally Posted by Kreton

If drinking and or sex is grounds for expulsion, colleges are going to have a hell of a time keeping classrooms full.

Even in a criminal trial, an admission that the accused had blacked out and had sex with the accuser would be considered evidence (but not proof) that a crime had been committed