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    'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your post is about as irrelevant as it gets. You've shown nothing, nothing at all. All you're doing is lashing out. Campus rape issues have existed for decades. But this is not the solution. They didn't even get the guilty party.
    Plan to deal with campus rape:

    1) encourage safe habits (don't get passed out drunk or walk alone in dark areas or don't drink things you didn't see pourer).

    2) access to rape kits and investigate claims swiftly...through the LEGAL system.

    3) Offer counseling for FREE.

    4) Encourage reporting.

    5) And be PROACTIVE as campus police: seek out rape drugs and if certain organizations and parties are known to be guilty of this stuff...see if you can find out.

    And also:

    Regret is not rape. People who mix those up do a huge disservice to actual victims...looking at you Lena Dunham.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It stands to reason that each side would put forth their best case if airing in public. Hence, it's not unreasonable to believe that we have enough evidence to make a reasonable conclusion.
    No, it stands to reason that the respondents would keep their arguments private until the trial in order to prevent the plaintiff from being forewarned and ready to counter those arguments. In addition, the school is prohibited by law from revealing details to the public
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Neither of which is evidence of sexual misconduct.
    Yes it is. If someone is accused of rape, then the fact that they had sex with the accuser is evidence (but not proof) of rape. In order to be convicted, the prosecution has to prove a number of elements of the crime, one of which is the fact that sexual activity had occurred.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not only his words. The texts that she sent to the school counselor, the school counselors reply via texts and the texts that his male friend received from her and their resultant sexual encounter of her inviting him over.
    IOW, the decision was not based only on an accusation which is what I've been saying
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes it is. If someone is accused of rape, then the fact that they had sex with the accuser is evidence (but not proof) of rape. In order to be convicted, the prosecution has to prove a number of elements of the crime, one of which is the fact that sexual activity had occurred.
    Meaning that sexually activity alone is NOT evidence of anything other than sexual activity.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    um. Exactly???? All the facts. And was he punished using all the facts? Or was he expelled to save the headache of propagating rape culture?
    Since neither of us know what facts the college considered, neither of us know the answers to your questions.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Meaning that sexually activity alone is NOT evidence of anything other than sexual activity.
    Wrong.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The topic is college disciplinary actions and they can be whatever the college wants them to be.
    In reality, college disciplinary actions will be whatever keeps the federal government and its money lubricated.

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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    In reality, college disciplinary actions will be whatever keeps the federal government and its money lubricated.
    Yes and no. While the Feds do attach strings to the funding they give to colleges, colleges are free to reject that funding and the attached strings
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes and no. While the Feds do attach strings to the funding they give to colleges, colleges are free to reject that funding and the attached strings
    Yes, just like people are free to start their own refinery if they feel unfairly gouged by gas prices.
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