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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 already covers that.

    But this isn't a matter of a college kicking the kid out because of race, color, religion, or national origin.

    This is a matter of a business refusing to serve an unprotected class (potential rapist) because continuing to business with the kid could potentially damage the college's brand.

    Doesn't a private business have a right, even a fiduciary responsibility, to protect its brand and its future profitability?
    Sure, except when false allegations are involved with zero evidence of wrong doing. The guy paid his tuition, he's got a right to expect the service he paid for.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There was more evidence, some of which is detailed in the article I linked to. I'm not going to read it to you. AFAIK, there was nothing preventing the accused from providing those texts to the school. The failure to do so was his.
    The texts were reported to the school by the girlfriend of the accused.(who happens to be the roommate of the alleged victim) It appears as though the school never followed up on them. You can see them for yourself in this video...

    Attorney for Amherst student accused of rape speaks out | On Air Videos | Fox News

    It would appear that Amherst failed to do their due diligence in this case.

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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The accuser claims that there was non-consensual sex
    The accuser also claimed it was consensual. The next day. In writing. A year later she changed her mind.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Even in a criminal trial, an admission that the accused had blacked out and had sex with the accuser would be considered evidence (but not proof) that a crime had been committed
    Even there there is a difference. Is he blacked out but still functioning? Or, is he blacked out and passed out and things are being done to him while he is passive? (Generic question)
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What a colossal joke. As is typical with ANY idealism, and in this case extreme feminism, the pendulum was allowed to swing PAST justice and BACK into an area of unjust tyranny. These accusations ruin lives too. And when it is true it SHOULD. When it is NOT...it should ruin the life of the accuser.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    This guy wasn't "convicted" of anything.

    A private business decided that they didn't want him as a customer.

    On the one hand conservatives and FOX News argue that a business should be able to refuse service to anyone they want (as long as that "anyone" is gay), yet on the other hand they argue that business should be required to provide service to anyone who wants it.

    Do you even double-standard, bro?

    His lawsuit is frivolous and stupid:



    Destroy whose reputation?

    Oh, right, John Doe's.

    Yeah, I won't be doing any business with that "John Doe" any time in the near future, I tell you!



    dude needs to quit being a crybaby looking for an easy payday, take his transcripts to some other university somewhere, finish his degree, and move on with his life.

    Yeah, I know, sometimes the world isn't "fair".

    Boo, hoo.

    Suck it up and quit being such a pansy.
    His lawsuit that he was EXPELLED WITHOUT CAUSE for a crime he DID NOT commit? Maybe if we started banning blacks from universities for crimes they MIGHT have committed you would sing a different tune? Or gays? Or women? But it doesn't count this time because it was a man?

    Yea. Double standard.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    What a colossal joke. As is typical with ANY idealism, and in this case extreme feminism, the pendulum was allowed to swing PAST justice and BACK into an area of unjust tyranny. These accusations ruin lives too. And when it is true it SHOULD. When it is NOT...it should ruin the life of the accuser.
    soot thinks you need to just suck it up buttercup.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Saying that a private institution should get a pass from what are supposed to be our society's core values simply because they're private is just as repugnant as the alleged crime. Maybe even more harmful, if an innocent person's life is significant negatively affected. Talk about low standards.

    Then, what does this tell the false accuser. That gain can be made arbitrarily at another's expense, and it doesn't matter if that other person is unjustly harmed. Wow. And we wonder why we are experiencing such a downward societal spiral. Connect the dots, people.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The texts were reported to the school by the girlfriend of the accused.(who happens to be the roommate of the alleged victim) It appears as though the school never followed up on them. You can see them for yourself in this video...

    Attorney for Amherst student accused of rape speaks out | On Air Videos | Fox News

    It would appear that Amherst failed to do their due diligence in this case.
    It's certainly possible. I've never denied that.

    However, it's possible that Amherst screwed up *and* the accused also engaged in misconduct of some type.
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    Re: 'Accused is guilty': Campus rape tribunals punish without proof, critics say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The accuser also claimed it was consensual. The next day. In writing. A year later she changed her mind.
    And both of her claims, though contradictory, are evidence
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