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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Even if entirely true it doesn't really tell us all that much. Let's say that juvenile offenders released when they turn 18 turn out to have committed 1,000 murders. What is our response to that? Keep millions of juvenile offenders in jail? What were they charged with? If that's 0.5% of total juveniles released, should we detain for life the other 99.5%? Etc.

    If Obama released violent offenders and .1% or .001% or 40% ended up being murderers, those differences matter a great deal. If some non-trivial percentage turn out to become murderers, and some notion of justice is consistent with these people never released or held until deported, that's fine. If they were non-violent people whose only crime was crossing illegally, should we hold everyone detained forever or until deported? Do we have room to do that? Can the system process that many people?

    I won't click on the story because the Moonie Times crashes my old computer, but I doubt if they provide any useful context. Typically these are just bash immigrant pieces.
    Now what do you think are the chances this news item would be 100% fabricated? What about the Washington Times is it that creates instant doubt?

    Maybe the fact its a negative and good reason to find reason and stop illegal immigration, which the Democrats appear to need to stay in power.

    What it proves is that a signifant percentage of illegals are criminals and/or criminally minded, something sociologists and criminologists have been saying for decades, you are importing crime. The very thought that criminals could be at the heart of Amerikan Liberal policy has to be quashed as it may turn public opinion against cheap labor for movie stars.

    This Liberal respects the hard work and determination immigrants make to become productive citizens. My country has the most liberal immigration laws in the world and we consider anyone who comes here illegally to BE a criminal and we treat them accordingly. You go directly to a converted army base now concentration camp and you stay there until you can raise the money to leave, or when her majesty's government gets around to busing you to the nearest American crossing and drop you off with nothing but the clothes on your back.

    The American policy is an idiotic farce. While you encourage and abet 500,000 criminals and uneducated peasants to saunter in in the south, you make bright, educatyed doctors, scientists and tech workers wait months and jump through hoops.

    All because the Democrats need Hispanic support. Pretty ****ed up way to run a country.
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Now what do you think are the chances this news item would be 100% fabricated? What about the Washington Times is it that creates instant doubt?
    Actually I didn't say it was 100% fabricated. I believe the number. What I said in the part you quoted and elsewhere is the Moonie Times reported them out of context and that is true. I later crashed my browser by clicking on the link, but I did read the story.

    Maybe the fact its a negative and good reason to find reason and stop illegal immigration, which the Democrats appear to need to stay in power.
    Yes, it's all Democrats because the GOP has such an excellent record of dealing with illegals when they're in power!

    What it proves is that a signifant percentage of illegals are criminals and/or criminally minded, something sociologists and criminologists have been saying for decades, you are importing crime. The very thought that criminals could be at the heart of Amerikan Liberal policy has to be quashed as it may turn public opinion against cheap labor for movie stars.
    Movie stars? And Romney, and thousands of other employers, including the Donald, who was fined for employing illegals on one of his jobs.

    This Liberal respects the hard work and determination immigrants make to become productive citizens. My country has the most liberal immigration laws in the world and we consider anyone who comes here illegally to BE a criminal and we treat them accordingly. You go directly to a converted army base now concentration camp and you stay there until you can raise the money to leave, or when her majesty's government gets around to busing you to the nearest American crossing and drop you off with nothing but the clothes on your back.
    OK, we don't have those laws here, and it's because our employers love immigration, legal and otherwise, and we know this because no matter who is in charge of immigration, from Reagan to Bush to Clinton to Bush II to Obama, not one of them has actually made any attempt to really deal with the problem, and no Congress, democratic or republican, has done so either, except to try to pass more amnesty.

    The American policy is an idiotic farce. While you encourage and abet 500,000 criminals and uneducated peasants to saunter in in the south, you make bright, educatyed doctors, scientists and tech workers wait months and jump through hoops.

    All because the Democrats need Hispanic support. Pretty ****ed up way to run a country.
    Yeah, it's all the the fault of Democrats. Another day, more partisan BS.

    If you thought about it for a minute, what you might realize is doctors, for example, are kept waiting because the AMA wields a lot of power and its constituents are rich doctors, not hourly workers in a manual labor job, so their lobbyists are paid attention to in Congress and Congress limits those entries. No one gives a damn that low wage jobs are getting filled with low wage, illegal labor. That's the difference. The same thing is true for other professional jobs. Those folks have influence, and are friends of political writers and so those news outlets run stories about how Microsoft is importing all these foreigners who undercut domestic programmers, etc. and people listen. No one writes stories in the NYT or Washington Post about some carpenter who works for $10 an hour and used to make $15 before the illegals took over the building trade. No, in that case the people with clout are the builders and they're very happy to get skilled construction labor at a cheaper cost through hard working undocumented workers.

    If you want to say Democrats are happy to have the growing Hispanic population on their side, of course. Every time some idiot like Steve King comes on TV and starts talking about Hispanics and their calves like cantaloupes from hauling pot across the border, a DNC angel gets its wings. But that's not what's driven immigration policy for the past 30 years or more.
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What he was talking about were people who entered illegally but who were granted LEGAL STATUS. At that point, they are not illegals, they are legal residents and he wants to prevent that sub-population of legal residents from getting benefits available to other legal residents.
    Being given legal status first, would probably be unconstitutional so that would go up through the courts - assuming such a thing would ever happen. Second, being declared and given "legal status" doesn't erase that they are still illegals. That you make that leap is amusing though.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Give me a link to your 60,000 number.
    I was incorrect --- it was 68,000 in 2013. DHS document: 68,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions released in 2013 | TheHill

    It was 36,000 more in 2014. 36K criminals freed while awaiting deportation, report says - CBS News

    I know what you're going to say - "But Ockham, they were deported." Not all of them because of the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by CBS News
    The ICE issued a statement in response to the report, saying that most of the individuals described in the report were released under restrictions, such as GPS monitoring, telephone monitoring, supervision or surety bond.
    Basically they were released and told, 'please don't disappear so we can deport you later.' Which I'm sure all of them complied.

    Now to be positive - so far only 121 criminals were released so far in 2015 which is much much less than the last two years.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I did read it. Where did it say I should eat dirt and not take, for example, Pepto-Bismol. Can you quote the article?
    You said you go on the best evidence available - you want to step back from that comment now, I'm fine with that. It's a study and you do love studies and treat them as gospel.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There is lots of evidence that being exposed to dirt as a kid helps your immune system, however. Growing up on a farm drastically reduces the rate of asthma and allergies, and they presume it's because of being exposed to "dirt" for lack of a better way to describe it. But I'm 51 and so any potential benefit of eating dirt as a child is long past.
    How about eating it which is what the study was about, not allergies or asthma?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    See, this is how to discuss a source. I've addressed the evidence presented, agreed that there are in fact several studies that show eating dirt can in fact provide health benefits, and addressed why in my case I don't see the advantages.
    No you've avoided addressing and answering the source and the study. I've asked you now nearly half a dozen times and you refuse to say what I already know, which is you will NOT eat dirt no matter what the study says. It helps if you just honest in your discussion instead trying and failing to be clever.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    [quote} You can't respond because you simply don't have the tools nor capability to answer, none of which is really your fault.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, I'm actually waiting on evidence.
    I thought we discussed this - your points don't garner evidence. That you avoid answering simple questions tells me your answers and posts are not even remotely honest. Shall we continue or shall I keep repeating myself?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No they aren't. They are bash ILLEGAL ALIEN pieces.
    They should be "bash illegal aliens and the government agency that released them into the public to kill innocent people" pieces.
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Here's some more updated information on this:

    34 Convicted aliens arrested in Wisconsin

    GOP Senators Demand ICE Answers on Repeat-Offender Criminal Illegals

    Quote Originally Posted by National Review


    Immigration officials tried to deport Luis-Leyva Vargas, 47, to Cuba after he served three years in a Florida prison for unlawful sex with a teen. In 2008, officials released him. Two years later, he kidnapped an 18-year-old in Rockingham County, Va., at knifepoint and raped her. Now he is serving a 55-year prison sentence.

    Felix Rodriguez, a 67-year-old sex offender convicted of raping children as young as 4 in the 1990s, was freed in 2009, also because Cuba would not take him back. Months later, he fatally shot his girlfriend in Kansas City. He pleaded guilty and is serving 10 years in a Missouri prison.

    Andrew Rui Stanley, convicted in 2000 of multiple counts of sodomizing a child when Stanley was 14, was released in 2009 after Brazil failed to provide a passport needed to send him home. For the next two years, he viciously abused three children in St. Louis and now, at age 31, will be in prison for the rest of his life.
    Enforcement? What Enforcement? | National Review Online
    Which lends yet more credence to post #13 where I made some inflammatory statements.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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