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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure, and here is a summary of their immigration laws. Residency in Costa Rica - How to obtain, Rules and Law - Costa Rica Immigration Law

    Retirees wouldn't have a problem because they can meet the requirement that they have a pension of at least $1,000 per month or at least $60,000 to deposit in cash in a bank account, paid out $2,500/month for two years, or $200,000 to invest in Costa Rica.

    I'm sure a poor person from Mexico or Guatemala would have no problem with coming up with the $60,000 per person.....
    The law you linked to has been altered, it's linked in the article:

    The New Costa Rica Immigration Law at The REAL Costa Rica Blog

    Even tougher and they are enforcing their law, unlike the US. That last may be why those who would invade another country head to the US rather than relocate their family to CR or try to do a work and send money home scheme.

    In fact CR seems to have some common sense solutions that we don't here. One of which is the requirement of citizenship or legal presence in the country to rent or buy a place to live. Thanks for pointing me to that. Sounds like a perfectly good element to add to the mix of our own law. That and actually enforcing it.

    But to remind you of what you asked and what I provided:

    Originally Posted by JasperL

    OK, name one that even comes close to offering the same opportunities as the U.S. Honduras? Good choice with the highest murder rate in the world, controlled by the gangs. El Salvador is also good - the murder rate there is just 10 times that of the U.S.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If anyone wants to have a serious discussion, that's fine. But we just DO HAVE those millions of people who ARE here. If you really don't want them to get healthcare, then what is the option except we let human beings die for lack of care? If you don't want to educate the children of illegals, then what is the option for them when they grow up here? It's not working a job, or a job is FAR less likely, so what is the option if not crime?
    Please--enough of the hyperbole. I want for citizens of this country who pay for healthcare to have healthcare. ERs are clogged with the uninsured as it is, and some rural hospitals are at the breaking point. And those straining the system don't just come there to die--they come because they have colds and other viruses and minor injuries and to give birth.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're right I don't live in a border state, but the problem is difficult and one liners and slogans aren't going to solve it. We rolled out a red carpet for them, thousands of employers provide them millions of jobs (nearly every roof in my neighborhood was replaced by a team of illegals), no one in government actually cares, the employers love it, and these people have families, and they need what we all need - food, education, lodging, healthcare.

    Someone make a serious proposal and we can debate it. What can I say?
    Not much. You don't live in a border state, and you do not understand first-hand, only what you've read and seen on TV. You don't understand the impact on communities of those who are here illegally.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    That's the same thing bank robbers say. And burglars and welfare frauds and tax cheats. "Hey dood - i just want more money so i can have a better life". But you have to do it legally and the bank robbers and illegal invaders aren't doing that. THINK
    They're not remotely comparable. Those who come here to work are entering into an agreement with their employer, it's voluntary on both sides.

    It's kind of funny too. We love "free markets" and the free movement of capital to seek out better alternatives wherever they are, but that's only for the capitalists. The workers are expected to observe these things called borders.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    The EMTALA Act requires that hospitals give free emergency health care to illegals. Naturally the illegals claim every health problem is an emergency. That's how they get free health care for everything.
    My proposal doesn't solve that?

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Trump said they don't send their best. But everyone freaked out and called him a bigot.
    I'd rather take the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and the homeless than other nation's 1%.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    WE already know how to solve this problem. Stop giving freebies to the illegal invaders and they won't come. Name one other country that gives welfare and drivers licenses and free health care and free k-12 to illegal invaders. No wonder they come.
    No, the real difference is we give them JOBS and no one cares that employers hire them. If they're caught, it's a small fine, if that. When we deal with the employers who invite them here to work and give them jobs, then we'll have taken a real step to address the actual problem.

    It's a mystery why right wingers have to disparage people who aren't doing a thing differently than they'd do in the same circumstances. They have no future, no opportunities in their home country and they come to the U.S. where there ARE opportunities, especially for their kids. The country was built on people just like them, from all over the world.

    It's certainly not our obligation to have open borders, but there isn't any need to label 12 million people as nothing but freeloaders. That's just not true.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Please--enough of the hyperbole. I want for citizens of this country who pay for healthcare to have healthcare. ERs are clogged with the uninsured as it is, and some rural hospitals are at the breaking point. And those straining the system don't just come there to die--they come because they have colds and other viruses and minor injuries and to give birth.
    OK, but if you don't want people to come to the ER for minor illnesses, and my brother is an ER doc so I know all about it, then you have to provide an alternative. Not many actually will wait in a waiting room in the ER for a few hours because they have a cold or a minor case of flu. Some do, but the vast majority don't know what they have and they can't get into an actual doctor because they can't afford the treatment if they're diagnosed with anything that requires actual treatment.

    And I have no idea why you put childbirth in that sentence. Of course they come to the hospital for giving birth. Any sane person would unless they have other options. So we either provide those options or mothers will get the most expensive child birth possible, in the ER, when they could probably do BETTER with a cheap alternative such as a nurse midwife with hospital backup.

    Not much. You don't live in a border state, and you do not understand first-hand, only what you've read and seen on TV. You don't understand the impact on communities of those who are here illegally.
    OK, I don't understand the impact, but what about the rest is untrue? We've made a deliberate decision for decades to relatively lightly guard the southern border, and to totally ignore the violations by employers that hire illegals, so in all practical purposes we've invited these people here and put them to work when they get here.

    I've said I have no objection to a far more secure border, to tougher interior enforcement, and to our right to control immigration into this country. I'm all for it. What I object to is the fact that we have had these figurative red carpets laid out for decades, and then people disparaging those who took us up on that offer. They did what we through decades of policy choices told them we WANT them to do - come here and work in law wage, mostly manual labor jobs, for thousands or tens of thousands of employers, millions of jobs, in all 50 states.

    In a big way, the homeowners here in Tennessee who gladly got a good deal on a roof replacement after a hail storm destroyed 3/4 of them are THE problem. We got low wage labor to crawl on roofs in 90 degree weather, and offload the costs of that labor onto the schools, ERs, etc. where the rest of the Tennessee residents pick them up.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I'd rather take the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and the homeless than other nation's 1%.
    Tired and poor is one thing, criminal is another.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The law you linked to has been altered, it's linked in the article:

    The New Costa Rica Immigration Law at The REAL Costa Rica Blog

    Even tougher and they are enforcing their law, unlike the US. That last may be why those who would invade another country head to the US rather than relocate their family to CR or try to do a work and send money home scheme.

    In fact CR seems to have some common sense solutions that we don't here. One of which is the requirement of citizenship or legal presence in the country to rent or buy a place to live. Thanks for pointing me to that. Sounds like a perfectly good element to add to the mix of our own law. That and actually enforcing it.
    OK, fine, let's change the laws, and enforce them like they can do in a country about the size of W. Virginia, ranked 42 of 50. When we do we'll be having a different conversation altogether. What I've pointed out (among other things) is we have lax laws because there is bipartisan support for illegal and legal immigration and a lot of it is coming from employers with big checkbooks and lots of influence who LOVE immigration.

    But to remind you of what you asked and what I provided:
    Fair enough, and here was your original statement:

    Not true, I've answered you directly on this and the answer is not to pay 5-10, 000 dollars to abandon my family and my country to jump the border. Good grief, there are more countries close to Mexico or Guatemala that have jobs that they can easily immigrate legally to and not pay a coyote.
    And the poor just cannot legally immigrate to Costa Rica. Wealthy Canadians can, but not poor peasants.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    https://www.google.com/search?q=121+...d+to+illegals+


    Bunch of links, could just be all quoting washington times.

    But regardless of who broke the story or why, if 121 released illegals have been charged with murder, then they have been charged. The source doesn't change the core facts, just the commentary and twist after.
    This may have already been pointed out, but "121 released illegals" have not been charged with murder. 121 "homicide-related charges" have been filed and about half of those who were released were due to laws and protocols that had nothing to do with Obama and existed under GW Bush as well. So turning this story into some kind of indictment of Obama is hyperbolic.

    What the story indicates is that our system of determining which illegal immigrants are a danger to our population sucks. There's a lack of communication, a lack of manpower, and a lack of good policy. If anybody doesn't like that, they should write to their representatives about it, because congress doesn't do anything. Make them do their jobs. Don't blame Obama, he isn't all powerful.
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