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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, name one that even comes close to offering the same opportunities as the U.S. Honduras? Good choice with the highest murder rate in the world, controlled by the gangs. El Salvador is also good - the murder rate there is just 10 times that of the U.S.
    Costa Rica. Tons of Canadians retire there.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by jasperl View Post
    well, ok so you do want a berlin wall. Great. And we'll have to search all truck traffic and the trunks of all cars and ships and boats, etc. Sounds doable to me, and then we can get illegal immigration to zero and isis isn't a threat.
    enforce the laws we have!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Which is still irrelevant, it's cute you think it's relevant though.

    Not until the SCOTUS says it's Constitutional they won't.
    You quoted Sessions, the term he used is "lawful status" and now you're telling me he didn't mean "lawful status" at all but something else. Give me a break.
    You didn't answer my question, though I'm not surprised.
    If you tell me who these people were who were released from prisons, I'll respond to your question. I can't address a population that I can't identify. But you've changed the goal posts from Dreamers to convicted criminals. I was addressing your claim that Obama wants to give these felons legal status. That's BS.
    Which changes nothing I've already stated.
    Correct, you dismissed data you don't like out of hand and have no other evidence to contradict it, but you do have gut feelings!

    The best evidence available is you should eat dirt. Will you?
    The article provided no evidence I should eat dirt. What is said was eating dirt has been common throughout history, and speculated that it might provide the same type of benefits as modern day Pepto Bismol. Since I have access to the drug, there is really no advantage to me digging a hole in my backyard to get to the clay, and eating that. Those benefits if any are available through other means.

    Now that I've addressed your red herring, can we move on?

    Get a better argument and I'll provide some evidence.

    When someone says "got it" they normally don't which is true in your case yet again, and it's always been official - it's never been UN-official. Please do try to keep up.
    I don't know how to respond to arguments that consist entirely of "I reject that evidence, and offer none of my own." I guess we'll have to leave it here.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Costa Rica. Tons of Canadians retire there.
    Sure, and here is a summary of their immigration laws. Residency in Costa Rica - How to obtain, Rules and Law - Costa Rica Immigration Law

    Retirees wouldn't have a problem because they can meet the requirement that they have a pension of at least $1,000 per month or at least $60,000 to deposit in cash in a bank account, paid out $2,500/month for two years, or $200,000 to invest in Costa Rica.

    I'm sure a poor person from Mexico or Guatemala would have no problem with coming up with the $60,000 per person.....

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You quoted Sessions, the term he used is "lawful status" and now you're telling me he didn't mean "lawful status" at all but something else. Give me a break.
    The terms he used were you are "here illegally, did not enter legally", and I have been giving you a break all throughout this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If you tell me who these people were who were released from prisons, I'll respond to your question.
    Does that nonsense actually work with anyone? The INS doesn't even know who these people are nor where they went. You can't answer because you can't answer - you can't explain the release because it's so supremely moronic of a move, it's inexplicable. You're not doing a very good job defending the INS and Obama's move so far. Perhaps these former criminals will simply have their criminal past erased or forgiven. You know... pen and phone + ignoring law and Constitution = Presidential Executive Order.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Correct, you dismissed data you don't like out of hand and have no other evidence to contradict it, but you do have gut feelings!
    The evidence shows eating dirt is good for you, per the study I linked. When will you be eating dirt? You seem to not want to answer but since you go by the best evidence available... You really do make it too easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The article provided no evidence I should eat dirt.
    Then you must not have read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What is said was eating dirt has been common throughout history, and speculated that it might provide the same type of benefits as modern day Pepto Bismol. Since I have access to the drug, there is really no advantage to me digging a hole in my backyard to get to the clay, and eating that. Those benefits if any are available through other means.
    So you don't go by the best evidence available when it doesn't suit you to.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Now that I've addressed your red herring, can we move on?
    Hardly - you've done everything BUT address it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know how to respond to arguments that consist entirely of "I reject that evidence, and offer none of my own." I guess we'll have to leave it here.
    You can't respond because you simply don't have the tools nor capability to answer, none of which is really your fault.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If anyone wants to have a serious discussion, that's fine. But we just DO HAVE those millions of people who ARE here. If you really don't want them to get healthcare, then what is the option except we let human beings die for lack of care? If you don't want to educate the children of illegals, then what is the option for them when they grow up here? It's not working a job, or a job is FAR less likely, so what is the option if not crime?
    Option??? They go back to their own country and get health care there and let their kids attend school there. Can you think at all!!!

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's funny how many times I've asked this question and conservatives really don't want to give a direct answer. The question was what you'd do "in their shoes" sitting in Mexico or Guatemala or somewhere.

    I get it - if you're any kind of decent father/son/husband, you'd do what the millions have done and walk across, take the jobs being offered, and give your family the best life you can possibly give them IN THE U.S. And you'd ignore immigration laws same way the employers do.
    That's the same thing bank robbers say. And burglars and welfare frauds and tax cheats. "Hey dood - i just want more money so i can have a better life". But you have to do it legally and the bank robbers and illegal invaders aren't doing that. THINK
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    That is harsh. I'm not aware of anyone proposing denying emergency care. How about they get their care and then if they are determined to be illegal, they are deported once they are discharged from the hospital. You were talking about people dieing for a lack of care.
    The EMTALA Act requires that hospitals give free emergency health care to illegals. Naturally the illegals claim every health problem is an emergency. That's how they get free health care for everything.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As an aside, the OP was an attempt to blame this on Obama and the liberals, but that's not the issue.

    For the rest, I mostly agree. And the problem is we just do not have the resources to jail all these people once they're detained and until they get through the process. We could change the laws and essentially do away with due process, or build a few dozen more prisons, or double or triple the immigration judges and all the rest. But we haven't done that.

    As we speak and for the past several decades at least, being here illegally is a minor crime, and what it would require is a change in the law to make it a more serious crime, then dedicating a lot of resources to deal with that decision. It would require treating criminal employers at least as seriously as the illegals they hire because that is the draw. We'd have to hire a ton of interior enforcement to enforce those laws and levy huge penalties on those employers who break the law. We haven't done that. Etc.

    It's just frustrating that these serious problems get reduced to soundbites, or in this thread an inflammatory headline that makes people dumber on the issue and does nothing to figure out how to solve this serious problem.
    WE already know how to solve this problem. Stop giving freebies to the illegal invaders and they won't come. Name one other country that gives welfare and drivers licenses and free health care and free k-12 to illegal invaders. No wonder they come.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The terms he used were you are "here illegally, did not enter legally", and I have been giving you a break all throughout this thread.
    What he was talking about were people who entered illegally but who were granted LEGAL STATUS. At that point, they are not illegals, they are legal residents and he wants to prevent that sub-population of legal residents from getting benefits available to other legal residents.
    Does that nonsense actually work with anyone? The INS doesn't even know who these people are nor where they went. You can't answer because you can't answer - you can't explain the release because it's so supremely moronic of a move, it's inexplicable. You're not doing a very good job defending the INS and Obama's move so far. Perhaps these former criminals will simply have their criminal past erased or forgiven. You know... pen and phone + ignoring law and Constitution = Presidential Executive Order.
    Give me a link to your 60,000 number.

    The evidence shows eating dirt is good for you, per the study I linked. When will you be eating dirt? You seem to not want to answer but since you go by the best evidence available... You really do make it too easy.

    Then you must not have read it.

    So you don't go by the best evidence available when it doesn't suit you to.
    I did read it. Where did it say I should eat dirt and not take, for example, Pepto-Bismol. Can you quote the article?

    There is lots of evidence that being exposed to dirt as a kid helps your immune system, however. Growing up on a farm drastically reduces the rate of asthma and allergies, and they presume it's because of being exposed to "dirt" for lack of a better way to describe it. But I'm 51 and so any potential benefit of eating dirt as a child is long past.

    See, this is how to discuss a source. I've addressed the evidence presented, agreed that there are in fact several studies that show eating dirt can in fact provide health benefits, and addressed why in my case I don't see the advantages.

    [quote} You can't respond because you simply don't have the tools nor capability to answer, none of which is really your fault.[/QUOTE]

    No, I'm actually waiting on evidence.

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