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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, fine. The rest of my comments still stand.

    Can you tell me how many people here on legal work permits or otherwise legal immigrants have committed violent crimes or murders or killed someone drunk driving? Can you compare that to native born in the same age groups?

    What share of those ILLEGALS released have committed crimes, including murder?

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    Bottom line is we have millions of people here illegally - about 12 million or so. It would be shocking if NONE of those here illegally, or those hundreds of thousands at least going through the system didn't commit crimes, including occasionally murder. Take any population and you'll find some small percentage of criminals. The data show that immigrants (legal and illegal) are less likely to commit crimes than the native born. What does any of that mean? It requires context and I'd be shocked if the Moonie Times did anything but quote some figures out of all context.
    That's not the point... We had criminals in our custody who should have never been released back into our society (jail time and then deportation or just deportation) who went out and killed people. They should have never had the chance to commit these crimes had our laws been applied as they should be applied. This is about a failure of our justice system to do what it's supposed to do and work to protect the residents of this nation from criminals.
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure there are probably many. We process 100s of thousands a year through the system. It would be remarkable if there weren't tons of mistakes in a process that moves that many people through the system, with 100s of thousand more in various stages in the process. I'm not sure what the point is, though.
    Well you agreed with the point I made - that there's more than one. The other point I'm making is it's illegal to be in this country ... well... illegally. Why our Federal Government decides to release felons from jail.... seems silly.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's not the point... We had criminals in our custody who should have never been released back into our society (jail time and then deportation or just deportation) who went out and killed people. They should have never had the chance to commit these crimes had our laws been applied as they should be applied. This is about a failure of our justice system to do what it's supposed to do and work to protect the residents of this nation from criminals.
    If you read the story, in fact almost all of them were released directly consistent with our laws. Many were released because of the SC ruling in 2001, and the rest were released because we don't have the facilities to hold them all in detention for the time it takes for the cases to legally work through the process. The story pointed out ONE person who clearly was a bad mistake.

    And the bottom line is our justice system releases criminals into the streets every hour of every day - thousands of them, out on bail, parole, who go on to commit horrible crimes. It's a risk we know about and we accept because the alternatives are worse. If there is a better alternative for non-violent illegals, then someone should suggest it. Berlin Wall to cut off illegal immigration, a few hundred more prisons, overruling the SC? Not sure what it would take to take the risk of released illegals to zero.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What crimes were they accused of?
    Not accused - convicted. These were convicted criminals that the administration decided to release anyway.

    From the story:

    So, just a minor problem called the Supreme Court of the United States prevents them from being held indefinitely.
    fail. So ICE is incapable of, oh, say, I don't know, handing them back over to the Justice System?
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The Washington Times is a right-wing propaganda sheet.

    I won't be wasting any time there.


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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    This monstrous story buried by the networks. Instead they focus on TWO escaped convicts in new york.
    in some of our SW states, the majority or a substantial minority of those sentenced to federal prisons are illegals
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not accused - convicted. These were convicted criminals that the administration decided to release anyway.
    Just quoting from the Moonie Times:

    More than 100 immigrants whom the Obama administration released back into the community went on to be charged with subsequent killings, according to government data released Monday that raises more questions about whether immigration authorities are doing enough to detail illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.
    I don't see any discussion of them being convicted criminals or what they were convicted of? Jaywalking? If you know something I don't, you click on the link and deal with your computer crashing.

    fail. So ICE is incapable of, oh, say, I don't know, handing them back over to the Justice System?
    They served their sentences under the "Justice System." What do you suggest? That the justice system keep them for life if their sentence is 10 years?

    I'm just quoting links you guys are presenting. The Moonie Times says "thousands" are released every year under the SC ruling because countries won't accept the former prisoners. What do we do with them - build some more prisons at GITMO for those folks? I'm open to suggestions!
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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Who had ad-hominem second post in? Who won the raffle?
    Well, I won't waste time there because the site corrupts my computer, sends up pop up after pop up and I usually have to reboot afterwards - at the very least close out my browser (what I had to do today). I don't know why anyone voluntarily clicks on that site.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    From the OP's article: "...33 of those were ordered released by immigration courts and another 24 were released because of a 2001 Supreme Court decision capping the time an immigrant can be detained to six months..."

    That leaves 64 released by ICE at their discretion, or 16 per year.

    "..All told, 121 immigrants who were held but eventually released by ICE went on to commit “homicide-related offenses”.."

    The term “homicide-related offenses” suggests that some of those counted were not actually murderers, but were involved in a crime related to a murder.

    Note that the detention facilities are all full, requiring prioritization of who is detained.

    “..."When making custody determinations, ICE performs an individualized review of the individual’s immigration history and criminal history, pursuant to the Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA),” the agency said. “In accordance with the requirements of the INA, not all criminals are subject to mandatory detention and thus may be eligible for bond.”

    Detention cannot be used as a further punishment for their crimes or for being in the country illegally, but rather must be used as a tool for further deportation.

    Still, ICE stiffened its policies this year, insisting that a supervisor approve cases when the agency plans to release immigrants with serious criminal records..."

    In other words, you can't blame Obama for the entire situation.

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