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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No they aren't. They are bash ILLEGAL ALIEN pieces.
    Actually this is a "bash the policy" piece, since these released aliens were already criminals when we decided to release them anyway.


    The Administration has also freed hundreds of sex criminals back into our neighborhoods.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, because hyperbole and exaggeration is always the answer when one's argument is shown to be specious.


    I don't believe that it's hyperbole or exaggeration to say that the USA can't arrest and lock up12 million illegal immigrants at one time, so another solution will have to be found.

    You you have an answer?

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually this is a "bash the policy" piece, since these released aliens were already criminals when we decided to release them anyway.


    The Administration has also freed hundreds of sex criminals back into our neighborhoods.

    Well Obama is nothing if not an equal opportunity enabler .... if he lets murderers go shouldn't he also be letting the sex criminals go? I mean, he can't be seen as discriminatory against rapists and sexual deviants. On a more serious note, this is a policy issue - an insane discussion about why our President has enabled murderers loose to murder yet more people. I'm tempted to start down the hyperbole trail saying this blood is on Obama's hands, but he'd simply shrug it off and call it a "prisoner catch and release get out the vote plan".
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, because hyperbole and exaggeration is always the answer when one's argument is shown to be specious.
    If you don't want to use any context in evaluating these things, then what do you expect?

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well Obama is nothing if not an equal opportunity enabler .... if he lets murderers go shouldn't he also be letting the sex criminals go? I mean, he can't be seen as discriminatory against rapists and sexual deviants. On a more serious note, this is a policy issue - an insane discussion about why our President has enabled murderers loose to murder yet more people. I'm tempted to start down the hyperbole trail saying this blood is on Obama's hands, but he'd simply shrug it off and call it a "prisoner catch and release get out the vote plan".
    Sheesh, he's not letting "murderers" go. Against my better judgment, I clicked on the Moonie Times link (just five pop up ads I had to close...). Known violent offenders aren't released, but the story identifies ONE person with a history of violent crime who slipped through, and he did later commit murder. The rest as far as I can tell were ordinary detainees whose cases were working their way through the system who were released under the equivalent of bail, and who later committed murder.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, got it. I guess we need the equivalent of the Berlin Wall for the entire southern and northern border, and a few hundred more prisons to hold everyone rounded up and detained on suspicion of being illegal, and Kangaroo courts with 2 minutes per charged person, and then a bus waiting after the "ILLEGAL" finding, so we can get those crimes down to zero. Land of the free!
    Wait until the ISIS kids arrive via the unguarded border. OK, I know that is just another right wing theory used to put down da prezz..

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sheesh, he's not letting "murderers" go. Against my better judgment, I clicked on the Moonie Times link (just five pop up ads I had to close...). Known violent offenders aren't released, but the story identifies ONE person with a history of violent crime who slipped through, and he did later commit murder. The rest as far as I can tell were ordinary detainees whose cases were working their way through the system who were released under the equivalent of bail, and who later committed murder.
    I'm pretty sure there's more than one.... and this is from 2009.

    Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue | Center for Immigration Studies

    Now, I know you'll bring a few of the links that make claims like, when immigrants move in, crime drops or that illegal immigrations reduces the amount of crime in cities and neighborhoods. I would just want to point out proactively, that drinking bleach is not good for the bowels, jumping off a bridge doesn't demonstrate humans can fly like birds, and stepping in dog **** doesn't smell like a bed of roses. The fact is, I'd much rather immigration take the legal route than the illegal one. I'd be interested to see how many of these 121 illegals charged with homicides were previously jailed in the US, or previously deported.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually this is a "bash the policy" piece, since these released aliens were already criminals when we decided to release them anyway.
    What crimes were they accused of?

    The Administration has also freed hundreds of sex criminals back into our neighborhoods.
    From the story:

    These released criminals are immigrants who were convicted of sex-related crimes and ordered deported, sometimes after serving a state or federal prison term. But if their home country will not take them back, ICE says they must release them after six months because the Supreme Court in 2001 barred the agency from holding immigrants indefinitely.
    So, just a minor problem called the Supreme Court of the United States prevents them from being held indefinitely.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Wait until the ISIS kids arrive via the unguarded border. OK, I know that is just another right wing theory used to put down da prezz..
    Well, OK so you do want a Berlin Wall. Great. And we'll have to search all truck traffic and the trunks of all cars and ships and boats, etc. Sounds doable to me, and then we can get illegal immigration to zero and ISIS isn't a threat.

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    Re: 121 murders attributed to illegals released by Obama administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm pretty sure there's more than one.... and this is from 2009.

    Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue | Center for Immigration Studies

    Now, I know you'll bring a few of the links that make claims like, when immigrants move in, crime drops or that illegal immigrations reduces the amount of crime in cities and neighborhoods. I would just want to point out proactively, that drinking bleach is not good for the bowels, jumping off a bridge doesn't demonstrate humans can fly like birds, and stepping in dog **** doesn't smell like a bed of roses. The fact is, I'd much rather immigration take the legal route than the illegal one. I'd be interested to see how many of these 121 illegals charged with homicides were previously jailed in the US, or previously deported.
    Sure there are probably many. We process 100s of thousands a year through the system. It would be remarkable if there weren't tons of mistakes in a process that moves that many people through the system, with 100s of thousand more in various stages in the process. I'm not sure what the point is, though.

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