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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    still, the numbers are too small for that to ever come up to one in five.

    the numbers i cited in the BJS report weren't even the total number of completed rapes, that included their estimates for threats and attempted too.

    they also found (surprise surprise) the two demographic groups with the highest rate were the age groups of 12 to 17 and 17 to 34. once that window is over odds go down to near nothing. so the 15 years of data from BJS when totaled, is pretty complete. when you total their total counts, and then divide the number of women by those counts over the last 15 years, we see one in 31. thats one in 31 too many, but it's no where near the one in 5 number cited.

    the CDC study has another issue, over two thirds of their rape numbers come from the category of drunk or drugged, but how they phrase the survey questions is so shoddy, that they're getting overreported in that category, where someone will tell the researcher they had sexual intercourse while drunk, and the researcher will mark that as a rape, even if the person being surveyed considers it consensual or it doesn't meet the definition of rape is a legal sense. the BJS on the other hand, catergorizes assaults based on a legal definition of rape and is part of surveys that first ask the surveyee if they consider themselves the victim of a crime.

    this is an important distinction, what happens when you start throwing out ridicolously high or inflated numbers, and people don't believe them (which I don't think many outside the extreme feminist in Oberlin College community actually believes that number) they'll start tuning those numbers out, which is bad, because if publishing those high numbers backfires, less attention will be paid to many very real victims.
    How do you know the CDC study asked shoddy questions or counted drunk consensual sex as rape? Non consensual sex while drunk implies the person is incapacitated or unable to consent which is a legal definition of rape.

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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    How do you know the CDC study asked shoddy questions or counted drunk consensual sex as rape? Non consensual sex while drunk implies the person is incapacitated or unable to consent which is a legal definition of rape.
    Because their questionnaire is publically available.

    Yes sex with someone who is incapacitated (ie passed out drunk) or who is drugged with sedatives is a legal definition of rape, sex with someone who is impaired but responsive May or may not be depending upon circumstances and state law.

    But CDCs study presupposes that sex while impaired is rape.

    What's funny is that the CDC study shows men reporting being forced to have sex with women at similar rates to women claiming they were raped by men, we know right away that's totally bogus, which tells me to ignore it and look at a better study

    The question is, if the one in five rate is false (and I argue it is) does it truly help victims of this crime to trumpet phony numbers?

    It's like I fear the phony stories by both Lena Dunham and Rolling Stone have substantially hurt real victims of rape because it gives the impression that most victims lie. And that's the real damage building a case on a bad foundation can cause
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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I want a source for this. Those numbers are too ridiculous.
    Here's the study:

    Understanding Men’s Health And Use Of Violence - Interface Of Rape And HIV In South Africa
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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    That is not asking for it. It is not the fault of rape victims that rape happens, but rather the fault of rapists.
    I'm not going to play semantic games here.

    This woman's complete and total lack of common sense, situational awareness, and any kind of regard for her own safety and well-being contributed directly to her rape.

    At the end of the day each individual is responsible for his or her own safety and this woman took absolutely no responsibility for herself.

    In South Africa women should expect that someone will attempt to rape them under any and all circumstances and should always be aware of their surroundings and considering what they can do "right now" to mitigate the tremendous risk they face.

    I agree with you that it's not her "fault", but she served herself up on a silver platter.

    Her attackers have been caught and I don't think that this woman's bone-jarring stupidity should serve as any kind of mitigation in respect to their crimes.

    But at the end of the day she has still been gang raped and her blasé attitude is at least partly responsible for the fact that she'll have to live with that for the rest of her life.
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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes they are lawless both in USA and in SA
    I have good friends from both Victoria and Johannesburg. They tell me at night you generally stay home if you can, and you never leave your car door unlocked at stop lights. They say people will just walk up and try to open your car door.

    They say the crime rates have almost quadrupled in the past 20 years.

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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gomario View Post
    She went there to teach them and how do they thank her? WTF Welcum to the New South Africa
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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

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    No idea. Some pic from the net. If it does offend you I will replace it in a flash. Just let me know
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    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: US teacher raped in South Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm not going to play semantic games here.

    This woman's complete and total lack of common sense, situational awareness, and any kind of regard for her own safety and well-being contributed directly to her rape.

    At the end of the day each individual is responsible for his or her own safety and this woman took absolutely no responsibility for herself.

    In South Africa women should expect that someone will attempt to rape them under any and all circumstances and should always be aware of their surroundings and considering what they can do "right now" to mitigate the tremendous risk they face.

    I agree with you that it's not her "fault", but she served herself up on a silver platter.

    Her attackers have been caught and I don't think that this woman's bone-jarring stupidity should serve as any kind of mitigation in respect to their crimes.

    But at the end of the day she has still been gang raped and her blasé attitude is at least partly responsible for the fact that she'll have to live with that for the rest of her life.

    It is not a game of semantics. By blaming the woman and saying that she was asking for it or bought it on herself, you are saying that she was responsible for the rape rather than the rapists.
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