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FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

Bit of a drastic policy proposal
Not really. Why make these half assed efforts at ensuring good when we have the means to ensure all Americans are fed, and fed the right foods? Hell we're doing it with health care. Single Payer Groceries! That's the ticket!
 
The reason people eat all these horrible foods is because they are cheap. It's easy to say "eat fresh fruits and vegetables" but those are really expensive.

Shouldn't eat these things, I think the FDA can mandate that it's labeled clearly, but not sure about a ban.

We need to get rid of the agricultural subsidies that make all these horrible foods so cheap.
 
Not really. Why make these half assed efforts at ensuring good when we have the means to ensure all Americans are fed, and fed the right foods? Hell we're doing it with health care. Single Payer Groceries! That's the ticket!

You have built an incredibly tall straw man.
 
You have built an incredibly tall straw man.

Where is the strawman?

Aren't you one of those folks that think healthcare is a right and Government should pay for it? Well if they are paying for it, shouldn't they be in charge of what their products I mean citizens eat? After all, wrong eating raises costs! And really if Healthcare is a right, so is food, and we could make a much better world if we all ate the right foods. We could eliminate food envy, food borne diseases, obesity, hunger and save millions of animals as we switch to a more sustainable vegan healthy lifestyle. After all, Government knows best...

Everyone, join TheDemSocialist and his push for Single Payer Groceries!
 
Where is the strawman?
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Single Payer Health Insurance equates to government ran food? Essentially government rations and only government rations for everyone? You dont see the straw man?

Aren't you one of those folks that think healthcare is a right and Government should pay for it?
Yes. I do believe in a system of single payer government ran health care.

Well if they are paying for it, shouldn't they be in charge of what their products I mean citizens eat?
Nope. Their should be certain safety, public health measures such as labeling, food/safety inspections, and security. But they should not be in complete charge of what you eat.

After all, wrong eating raises costs!
It can. But I say, 'so what'?

And really if Healthcare is a right, so is food, and we could make a much better world if we all ate the right foods.
I also believe food/food security is a right, but that does not mean we should all be mandated to eat and only eat what the government provides for us, and should not be the only option.

We could eliminate food envy, food borne diseases, obesity, hunger and save millions of animals as we switch to a more sustainable vegan healthy lifestyle. After all, Government knows best...
I'm sure we would be able to if we moved to this system but its not a desirable, and politically realistic system. Nor I am in favor it. Nor am I a vegan.

Everyone, join TheDemSocialist and his push for Single Payer Groceries!
But I thought this was your proposal. This isnt mine.
 
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Single Payer Health Insurance equates to government ran food? Essentially government rations and only government rations for everyone? You dont see the straw man?


Yes. I do believe in a system of single payer government ran health care.


Nope. Their should be certain safety, public health measures such as labeling, food/safety inspections, and security. But they should not be in complete charge of what you eat.


It can. But I say, 'so what'?


I also believe food/food security is a right, but that does not mean we should all be mandated to eat and only eat what the government provides for us, and should not be the only option.


I'm sure we would be able to if we moved to this system but its not a desirable, and politically realistic system. Nor I am in favor it. Nor am I a vegan.


But I thought this was your proposal. This isnt mine.

Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
 
Probably the right move, but then again I have a dislike for "do something, anything" measures that are used to mask an unwillingness to confront a problem, Americans eat too much food, and most of it is junk. If we began a cultural shift towards eating more lean cuts of meat and vegetables and less processed foods it would make banning trans fats moot.

The trans fats are simply a symptom of larger problems , namely Americans would rather eat lots of cheap junk then a little nutrition, I switched my diet over recently to eating mainly steak and salads, and my grocery tab went up by a lot for less food, however I feel much better already

Well, M. Obama has been tar and feathered for trying to improve the diet we eat.
 
Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though.
No it wont.

See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops.
What are you even talking about?

"Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
So now you build a straw man, then you tell me its my position (even though you were the one who proposed it), continue to build that straw man, now you claim you can see the future :lamo
 
Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.

See, that's always going to be a problem. Nobody (presumably) believes government shouldn't be enforcing anything, therefore there will always be the need for debate over that which we do, which produces a conflict and struggle over ideology. And then we all are capable of more or less being capable of hypocrisy in it. For example, I don't have a problem with this FDA position, but I'd take great umbrage with the government banning cigarettes or alcohol, both of which are at least as harmful as trans fats, what can I say. ;)
 
Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.

It's so funny to watch the contradiction that is modern liberalism. In one breath, they say "yay, government intervention good!", while in the next, they thank a post calling for an end to farm subsidies. They're all over the map.
 
Punishing all of society for the actions of the minuscule few is unacceptable. So no, we don't need government telling everyone what they can or cannot eat.

66% of this country is overweight. That's hardly a minuscule few. That aside, the government has been telling people what they can and can't eat since this country was created. Tariffs imposed for political reasons, boycotts and wartime measures have dictated what people eat far more often than their own personal choices.
 
It's so funny to watch the contradiction that is modern liberalism. In one breath, they say "yay, government intervention good!", while in the next, they thank a post calling for an end to farm subsidies. They're all over the map.

Is picking and choosing where one wants "government intervention" an exclusion to only "modern liberalism"? Couldnt the same be said about conservatism, libertarianism or just about any political ideology/philosophy/or mindset?
 
Not really. Why make these half assed efforts at ensuring good when we have the means to ensure all Americans are fed, and fed the right foods? Hell we're doing it with health care. Single Payer Groceries! That's the ticket!

You're exaggerating. It's not all or nothing. Do you want the government to ban heavy metals from our food and drink? Of course you do, so it's about what levels of control, always is.
 
Would be nice to have transparency to food. Right now i read the backs of boxes and its just chemicalx, chemicalz, chemical-y and i dont comprehend any of it. I mean we have the internet so why not have a specific code on each brand and you can punch that code into a gov registered website that states EVERY single ingredient and exactly what its from and health risks.

When I read food packages now I just assume its 85% industrial bi-product. Some percent filler. And just enough real nutrients to classify it as food.

(wonder where cancer comes from.....)

With 3-d printing and people making imitation food looking real more and more it has the potential to turn humans into living "waste reclyclers" where companies are just finding excuses and loopholes to shove as much stuff in the food that they dont want to pay to put in a landfill. I got a packet of peanuts and it took me a while to realize what was wrong with them. But they were MAN-CRAFTED peanuts. As in someone took artificial peanut paste and cooked it and forged it in a way to make it resemble 90% of a peanut. **** was weird.

I dont wanna eat corn syrup boil out mixed with wood shavings and whats left after the making of jetfuel.

I wouldnt be surprised if they use 50 different loopholes and reconsitancy procedures to turn aborted babies and expiring semen samples into frozen burritos.
 
You're exaggerating. It's not all or nothing. Do you want the government to ban heavy metals from our food and drink? Of course you do, so it's about what levels of control, always is.

Control? No no, this about making sure people make the right choice, period. Why stop at banning a few things, why not go the distance, come on, you know you like the idea...
 
Would be nice to have transparency to food. Right now i read the backs of boxes and its just chemicalx, chemicalz, chemical-y and i dont comprehend any of it. I mean we have the internet so why not have a specific code on each brand and you can punch that code into a gov registered website that states EVERY single ingredient and exactly what its from and health risks.

When I read food packages now I just assume its 85% industrial bi-product. Some percent filler. And just enough real nutrients to classify it as food.

(wonder where cancer comes from.....)

With 3-d printing and people making imitation food looking real more and more it has the potential to turn humans into living "waste reclyclers" where companies are just finding excuses and loopholes to shove as much stuff in the food that they dont want to pay to put in a landfill. I got a packet of peanuts and it took me a while to realize what was wrong with them. But they were MAN-CRAFTED peanuts. As in someone took artificial peanut paste and cooked it and forged it in a way to make it resemble 90% of a peanut. **** was weird.

I dont wanna eat corn syrup boil out mixed with wood shavings and whats left after the making of jetfuel.

I wouldnt be surprised if they use 50 different loopholes and reconsitancy procedures to turn aborted babies and expiring semen samples into frozen burritos.

Art Bell called, he wants his schtick back. :roll:

Yeah, it's all Greek to me. What the heck is "onion powder", and, "egg whites"? :roll: Nothing like a little histrionic hyperbole to bolster your argument.

"gov registered website" :lamo
 

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Art Bell called, he wants his schtick back. :roll:

Yeah, it's all Greek to me. What the heck is "onion powder", and, "egg whites"? :roll: Nothing like a little histrionic hyperbole to bolster your argument.

"gov registered website" :lamo

What about that little yellow packet of powder in the Mac N cheese box?

“Easy” Mac Cheese Sauce Mix: Whey, Maltodextrin, Corn Syrup Solids, Palm Oil, Modified Food Starch, Milkfat, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Medium Chain Triglyceride, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Citric Acid, Sodium Phosphate, Natural Flavor, Lactic Acid, Calcium Phosphate, Guar Gum, Monosodium Glutamate, Yellow 5, Yellow 6, Artificial Flavor, Cheese Culture, Enzymes.


When i read this crap I read "Cancer". lol 22 ingredients in 1 little cheese powder packet. Sounds legit.
 
What about that little yellow packet of powder in the Mac N cheese box?




When i read this crap I read "Cancer". lol 22 ingredients in 1 little cheese powder packet. Sounds legit.

And why do you read cancer? Do you have some evidence that any of those things cause cancer? The sun causes cancer for crying out loud. Should the sun be required to list it's cancer causing ingredients on a "gov registered website"?

Look, I'm obviously being a smart ass. There's no doubt that many food additives are not good for you, but that's no reason to exaggerate and be hyperbolic about it. If you're worried about the mac 'n cheese packet, don't eat it. Have you tried Annie's mac 'n cheese products? They're very good, and the ingredient list is a little more understandable. ;)

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Trans fats are bad for everyone, in any amount at all, at any age, for any sex, no matter the individual, period, and this is backed up with a mountain of peer reviewed evidence. If FDA is not going to ban Trans Fats, then what is the point of the FDA? Allowing trans fats in foods is like allowing dioxins in foods (this has actually happened in China). I don't think that blocking what are essentially toxic substances from foods is a nanny state action.
 
Trans fats are bad for everyone, in any amount at all, at any age, for any sex, no matter the individual, period, and this is backed up with a mountain of peer reviewed evidence. If FDA is not going to ban Trans Fats, then what is the point of the FDA? Allowing trans fats in foods is like allowing dioxins in foods (this has actually happened in China). I don't think that blocking what are essentially toxic substances from foods is a nanny state action.

Should the FDA ban all food ingredients that are bad for you?
 
Should the FDA ban all food ingredients that are bad for you?

No, but they should ban any ingredients that are universally toxic to any and all human beings of which there is no safe amount to consume. Trans fats fit that description.

There are lots of foods that are not good for you, take refined sugars, nitrates in cured meats and so on, but trans fats are on an entirely different level in terms of what they do to the human body - specifically our cardiovascular system.
 
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