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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Where is the strawman?

    Single Payer Health Insurance equates to government ran food? Essentially government rations and only government rations for everyone? You dont see the straw man?

    Aren't you one of those folks that think healthcare is a right and Government should pay for it?
    Yes. I do believe in a system of single payer government ran health care.

    Well if they are paying for it, shouldn't they be in charge of what their products I mean citizens eat?
    Nope. Their should be certain safety, public health measures such as labeling, food/safety inspections, and security. But they should not be in complete charge of what you eat.

    After all, wrong eating raises costs!
    It can. But I say, 'so what'?

    And really if Healthcare is a right, so is food, and we could make a much better world if we all ate the right foods.
    I also believe food/food security is a right, but that does not mean we should all be mandated to eat and only eat what the government provides for us, and should not be the only option.

    We could eliminate food envy, food borne diseases, obesity, hunger and save millions of animals as we switch to a more sustainable vegan healthy lifestyle. After all, Government knows best...
    I'm sure we would be able to if we moved to this system but its not a desirable, and politically realistic system. Nor I am in favor it. Nor am I a vegan.

    Everyone, join TheDemSocialist and his push for Single Payer Groceries!
    But I thought this was your proposal. This isnt mine.
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Single Payer Health Insurance equates to government ran food? Essentially government rations and only government rations for everyone? You dont see the straw man?


    Yes. I do believe in a system of single payer government ran health care.


    Nope. Their should be certain safety, public health measures such as labeling, food/safety inspections, and security. But they should not be in complete charge of what you eat.


    It can. But I say, 'so what'?


    I also believe food/food security is a right, but that does not mean we should all be mandated to eat and only eat what the government provides for us, and should not be the only option.


    I'm sure we would be able to if we moved to this system but its not a desirable, and politically realistic system. Nor I am in favor it. Nor am I a vegan.


    But I thought this was your proposal. This isnt mine.
    Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Probably the right move, but then again I have a dislike for "do something, anything" measures that are used to mask an unwillingness to confront a problem, Americans eat too much food, and most of it is junk. If we began a cultural shift towards eating more lean cuts of meat and vegetables and less processed foods it would make banning trans fats moot.

    The trans fats are simply a symptom of larger problems , namely Americans would rather eat lots of cheap junk then a little nutrition, I switched my diet over recently to eating mainly steak and salads, and my grocery tab went up by a lot for less food, however I feel much better already
    Well, M. Obama has been tar and feathered for trying to improve the diet we eat.
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though.
    No it wont.

    See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops.
    What are you even talking about?

    "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
    So now you build a straw man, then you tell me its my position (even though you were the one who proposed it), continue to build that straw man, now you claim you can see the future
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
    See, that's always going to be a problem. Nobody (presumably) believes government shouldn't be enforcing anything, therefore there will always be the need for debate over that which we do, which produces a conflict and struggle over ideology. And then we all are capable of more or less being capable of hypocrisy in it. For example, I don't have a problem with this FDA position, but I'd take great umbrage with the government banning cigarettes or alcohol, both of which are at least as harmful as trans fats, what can I say.
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    What are you even talking about?
    She's talking about problems. Problems never end

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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Oh no, it's not yours today, it will be yours tomorrow though. See, the thing about people like you is, it never stops. "Fix" one thing, and the next thing needs to be "fixed" and that fix is ALWAYs the same. Government. So, really, this is your position, you just haven't been told it's time yet.
    It's so funny to watch the contradiction that is modern liberalism. In one breath, they say "yay, government intervention good!", while in the next, they thank a post calling for an end to farm subsidies. They're all over the map.

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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Punishing all of society for the actions of the minuscule few is unacceptable. So no, we don't need government telling everyone what they can or cannot eat.
    66% of this country is overweight. That's hardly a minuscule few. That aside, the government has been telling people what they can and can't eat since this country was created. Tariffs imposed for political reasons, boycotts and wartime measures have dictated what people eat far more often than their own personal choices.
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's so funny to watch the contradiction that is modern liberalism. In one breath, they say "yay, government intervention good!", while in the next, they thank a post calling for an end to farm subsidies. They're all over the map.
    Is picking and choosing where one wants "government intervention" an exclusion to only "modern liberalism"? Couldnt the same be said about conservatism, libertarianism or just about any political ideology/philosophy/or mindset?
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    Re: FDA Tells Food Industry to Phase out Artificial Trans Fats

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    Not really. Why make these half assed efforts at ensuring good when we have the means to ensure all Americans are fed, and fed the right foods? Hell we're doing it with health care. Single Payer Groceries! That's the ticket!
    You're exaggerating. It's not all or nothing. Do you want the government to ban heavy metals from our food and drink? Of course you do, so it's about what levels of control, always is.
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