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    CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    The Central Intelligence Agency had explicit guidelines for “human experimentation” – before, during and after its post-9/11 torture of terrorism detainees – that raise new questions about the limits on the agency’s in-house and contracted medical research.

    Sections of a previously classified CIA document, made public by the Guardian on Monday, empower the agency’s director to “approve, modify, or disapprove all proposals pertaining to human subject research”. The leeway provides the director, who has never in the agency’s history been a medical doctor, with significant influence over limitations the US government sets to preserve safe, humane and ethical procedures on people.
    CIA director George Tenet approved abusive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, designed by CIA contractor psychologists. He further instructed the agency’s health personnel to oversee the brutal interrogations – the beginning of years of controversy, still ongoing, about US torture as a violation of medical ethics.
    But the revelation of the guidelines has prompted critics of CIA torture to question how the agency could have ever implemented what it calls “enhanced interrogation techniques” – despite apparently having rules against “research on human subjects” without their informed consent.


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    Why arent those who are responsible for such inhumane, evil, and just outright criminal activities in jail? Why are they being given a free pass? This is freaking outrageous.
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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Why arent those who are responsible for such inhumane, evil, and just outright criminal activities in jail? Why are they being given a free pass? This is freaking outrageous.
    Probably because the general rules were not criminal. You are right, of course, that the people that broke the law should go to jail. But there were relatively few of them. Luckily.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Probably because the general rules were not criminal. You are right, of course, that the people that broke the law should go to jail. But there were relatively few of them. Luckily.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks In case you forgot.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Many americans and most of the government condone torture, as long as it's not to anybody they know.

    The legal principles developed at Nuremberg are now considered quaint and out of style.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not sure, what you want to say.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Many americans and most of the government condone torture, as long as it's not to anybody they know.

    The legal principles developed at Nuremberg are now considered quaint and out of style.
    You think so? I doubt that. But I am sure that there are people that might believe so.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Not sure, what you want to say.
    I say I don't care what happens those at Guantanamo.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You think so? I doubt that. But I am sure that there are people that might believe so.
    CRUE's post following your illustrates what I meant. Most folks I know, most of them 'christian', don't really care about torture. If anything, they support it because it is commonly practiced on muslims.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I say I don't care what happens those at Guantanamo.
    You are proof that fear leads people to do terrible, inhumane, and flat out evil acts.
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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    The United States is a signatory to the 1994 Convention Against Torture, and the provisions it agreed to were ratified by the Senate and codified in section 2340 of the U.S. Code. The United States has not authorized the torture of anyone. The enhanced interrogation techniques the Defense Dept. proposed to use in 2002, including waterboarding, were modeled on techniques the U.S. itself had used on thousands of servicemen as part of their survival training. The purpose was to give men most likely to be captured some experience of what they might expect if captured by certain enemies.

    The Justice Dept.'s Office of Legal Counsel, which contains some of its best lawyers, thoroughly evaluated the proposed techniques and concluded that they did not violate any applicable U.S. laws, including section 2340. I have read their memos, and they are as good as legal research gets. If it can be shown that any U.S. official administered those interrogation techniques in a way that was not approved, that person should be disciplined. But so far, I have not seen any reliably documented instances of any acts that constituted torture under U.S. law.

    Interrogation can be very painful and coercive, both physically and mentally, and yet not constitute torture under our laws. There has to be room for enough coercion to get results--the whole idea was the make murdering jihadist war criminals reveal what they knew, and with more attacks in the works, we had to find out that information fast. These mangy mutts got off damned easy. The only good reason not to have tried them before a military tribunal and executed them, after they had coughed up their secrets, was that once their pals found out they would be killed anyway they would probably not reveal anything.

    May the U.S. send every Islamic jihadist son of a whore it can find to hell as soon as possible, and may the America-haters who carry water for them join them there.
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