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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

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    You are proof that fear leads people to do terrible, inhumane, and flat out evil acts.
    I have no fear, because I am plenty willing to do my self whatever anyone may attempt to do to me or my family.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have no fear, because I am plenty willing to do my self whatever anyone may attempt to do to me or my family.
    Except your doing all of it out of justification of.....
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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except your doing all of it out of justification of.....
    So you are trying to lead my answer?

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The United States is a signatory to the 1994 Convention Against Torture, and the provisions it agreed to were ratified by the Senate and codified in section 2340 of the U.S. Code. The United States has not authorized the torture of anyone. The enhanced interrogation techniques the Defense Dept. proposed to use in 2002, including waterboarding, were modeled on techniques the U.S. itself had used on thousands of servicemen as part of their survival training. The purpose was to give men most likely to be captured some experience of what they might expect if captured by certain enemies.

    The Justice Dept.'s Office of Legal Counsel, which contains some of its best lawyers, thoroughly evaluated the proposed techniques and concluded that they did not violate any applicable U.S. laws, including section 2340. I have read their memos, and they are as good as legal research gets. If it can be shown that any U.S. official administered those interrogation techniques in a way that was not approved, that person should be disciplined. But so far, I have not seen any reliably documented instances of any acts that constituted torture under U.S. law.

    Interrogation can be very painful and coercive, both physically and mentally, and yet not constitute torture under our laws. There has to be room for enough coercion to get results--the whole idea was the make murdering jihadist war criminals reveal what they knew, and with more attacks in the works, we had to find out that information fast. These mangy mutts got off damned easy. The only good reason not to have tried them before a military tribunal and executed them, after they had coughed up their secrets, was that once their pals found out they would be killed anyway they would probably not reveal anything.

    May the U.S. send every Islamic jihadist son of a whore it can find to hell as soon as possible, and may the America-haters who carry water for them join them there.
    Pure sophistry, John Yoo style.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So you are trying to lead my answer?
    Simply trying to get to the roots here. How/what do you justify torture and human experimentation by?
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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simply trying to get to the roots here. How/what do you justify torture and human experimentation by?
    By their willingness to do worse to us.

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    By their willingness to do worse to us.
    So fear.... Fear they will "do worse" if we dont do it to them. Right?
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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Pure sophistry, John Yoo style.
    That's awfully facile. You confine yourself to a drive-by bleat, because you are afraid to lace on the gloves and climb into the ring. Instead of just asserting that what I said is sophistry, why don't you tell us specifically which points of law Jay Bybee and John Yoo got wrong, in which of their memos on this subject, and explain why you think their legal analysis of each point was incorrect? I'll tell you why--it's because you have never read a single sentence of even one of those documents, and would not have understood it if you had tried.

    I have read those memos, and also quite a few others that are part of the thousands of pages of government documents on this subject. As someone who has written legal research memos on difficult subjects, I know what's involved--and the quality of the analysis of this subject by the Office of Legal Counsel is as good as it gets. Because section 2340 had only been on the books for several years, there was not even one case construing it, and that made the task of determining what constituted torture under U.S. laws even harder. But determine it Bybee and Yoo did, and having analyzed their memos pretty closely, I believe they got it right. I don't think any of the enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, even came very close to being torture under the law.

    You do not know the first thing about this subject, so you swallow whole some witless anti-American propaganda you read in Mother Jones, or saw on MSNBC. The intellectual quality of the "analysis" by the usual lump in the lumpenproletariat is roughly this: "Woah, man, they like tortured those dudes at Gitmo really bad! Put water up their nose and s***, just for the crime of being Muslim!" Millions of these malcontent ignoramuses now infest this country, loathe it just like their fellow statist in the White House does, and are eager to believe anything bad about it. Their resentment of America gives them common cause with the Muslim jihadists who want us all dead.

    I'd like once again to recommend a book by Andy McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor. Mr. McCarthy played an important role in convicting and sending to prison Abdel "The Blind Sheikh" Rahman for his part in the conspiracy that resulted in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. The title is The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America".

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    Re: CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So fear.... Fear they will "do worse" if we dont do it to them. Right?
    Not fear, fact.

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