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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what you provided is.
    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    He is not a hero.
    Wrong, without his actions the government would still be doing what it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    1. Don't care what they collected or if people are talking about it. This is about the wrongness of Snowden's actions.
    2. Talking about the other things you mentioned has always been done. Also irrelevant to the fact of his wrongful actions.
    3. Don't care what government they spied on. It is what Governments should and will continue to do. Which is also irrelevant to the wrongness of his actions.
    4. OMG! The Government collected data. The sky is falling! Not! This is not about that but about Snowdens wrong actions in releasing information he was not entitled to release.
    Snowden could have chosen another avenue, he didn't. That is on him regardless of the underlying issue. He had no right to release the information he did.

    The ones with low IQ's are the ones claiming he is a hero and isn't a traitor.
    Nor do I care how you want to falsely spin his illegal actions. And that was not to whom he handed the information.
    You should care, because of his actions we are talking about something under political and public pressure. There were no safe actions for Snowden to take, including the one he decided on. The best move was to release information to the press and American Public, which it appears you side with the government on. Calling him a traitor makes the American Public enemies of the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    But if you really think he is a hero, please emulate his exact actions.

    Not an argument I made, so you should control your hyperbolic bs as the low IQ excrement just applies to the side you chose to argue in response to his wrongful actions.
    I am not in a position to emulate his actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.
    He is for taking and releasing information that he was not allowed to take or release.


    More hyperbolic nonsense.
    But it is nice to know that you do not care about the damage his wrongful action caused.

    Two separate issues.
    This is about the wrongness of his actions, not the wrongness or legality of the collection.

    That said; The people are not entitled to know everything.
    A person who thinks otherwise is not being rational.

    As for collection of information.
    The information is going to be collected anyways.
    If not by our own Government, then by another. And it is likely that we will by mutual agreements, trade and/or purchase, or spy on, to obtain.
    And if obtained illegally it is not like it can be used in a US Court against a person, as it would be fruit of the poisonous tree.
    The US Government is responsible for all of this, and they are not two separate issues. The ultimate concern is a government who discounts the Constitution, it appears you agree. Putting you in concert with the very reason he ended up running. There is no fairness dealing with a government who looks at its own citizens as a security risk.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
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    The provided article clearly indicated "He fled to Hong Kong, then to Moscow".


    Lame.
    He was in flight and ended up fleeing to Moscow. ...
    Lame yourself. As I said, the article lied. His US passport was revoked inflight, giving Moscow the right to stop him. A major British enquiry has just come out with scathing criticism of our security services. This "news" has been leaked to a friendly press by someone unattributed in the Home Office (which has a vested interst in deflection) and not the Foreign office which has the responsibility. This is no more than a smokescreen to avoid embarrassment. Where is the confirmation from the WH?

    Why did they need to crack the documents? He would have handed them over.
    Where did they get them? He always maintained he left them in Hong Kong with journalists there.
    How do Britain know that these documents have been "cracked"? it's all bollocks.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Wrong, without his actions the government would still be doing what it did.
    Wrong.
    Again, the way he chose to do it is what makes his actions wrong.




    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You should care, because of his actions we are talking about something under political and public pressure. There were no safe actions for Snowden to take, including the one he decided on. The best move was to release information to the press and American Public, which it appears you side with the government on. Calling him a traitor makes the American Public enemies of the government.
    Pure unadulterated BS!


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The US Government is responsible for all of this,
    Wrong. He is.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    and they are not two separate issues.
    Yes, they clearly are.
    Whether or not the Government was in the wrong is irrelevant as to whether he was in the wrong as he was.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The ultimate concern is a government who discounts the Constitution, it appears you agree. Putting you in concert with the very reason he ended up running. There is no fairness dealing with a government who looks at its own citizens as a security risk.
    More bs. The meta data collection that was only later declared illegal was not the only thing he wrongfully exposed.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Lame yourself. As I said, the article lied. His US passport was revoked inflight, giving Moscow the right to stop him. A major British enquiry has just come out with scathing criticism of our security services. This "news" has been leaked to a friendly press by someone unattributed in the Home Office (which has a vested interst in deflection) and not the Foreign office which has the responsibility. This is no more than a smokescreen to avoid embarrassment. Where is the confirmation from the WH?

    Why did they need to crack the documents? He would have handed them over.
    Where did they get them? He always maintained he left them in Hong Kong with journalists there.
    How do Britain know that these documents have been "cracked"? it's all bollocks.
    Wrong.
    The article I provided did not lie. You are making a false assertion.
    He fled to Moscow as it stated.

    Why do you need a conformation from the WH when this is about British pulling their operatives?
    You have questions, but no valid counter point to this report.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.
    The article I provided did not lie. You are making a false assertion.
    He fled to Moscow as it stated.

    Why do you need a conformation from the WH when this is about British pulling their operatives?
    You have questions, but no valid counter point to this report.
    The report is timed to misdirect, it contains little new information, other than the "cracked" assertion. Britain assumed agents had been compromised from the moment Snowdon was trapped in transit by the revocation of his passport to Latin America, and acted accordingly on the basis of the possibility. Two years on, there shouldn't be any agents left exposed in sensitive positions. People who have reviewed the documents have seen no mention of MI6 agents at all. Since the UK government's original position was that they didn't know what he had leaked, how do theyknow what was "decrypted" about MI6 and live actions was in the documents? There's no need to counter obvious deception which falls apart under elementary questioning from the less gullible.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The report is timed to misdirect, it contains little new information, other than the "cracked" assertion. Britain assumed agents had been compromised from the moment Snowdon was trapped in transit by the revocation of his passport to Latin America, and acted accordingly on the basis of the possibility. Two years on, there shouldn't be any agents left exposed in sensitive positions. People who have reviewed the documents have seen no mention of MI6 agents at all. Since the UK government's original position was that they didn't know what he had leaked, how do theyknow what was "decrypted" about MI6 and live actions was in the documents? There's no need to counter obvious deception which falls apart under elementary questioning from the less gullible.

    Still with the false assertions I see. Figures.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Still with the false assertions I see. Figures.
    "Western spies" in the headline, not British. Why are the WH not all over this? Because it's fake.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    "Western spies" in the headline, not British. Why are the WH not all over this? Because it's fake.
    I see you do not understand what "western" means. Figures.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

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    Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Downing Street believes that Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies have used documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden to identify British and US secret agents, according to a report in the Sunday Times.

    The newspaper says MI6, Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, has withdrawn agents from overseas operations because Russian security services had broken into encrypted files held by American computer analyst Snowden.

    [...]

    Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6


    This person is not a hero.
    For the umpteenth time...he IS a hero..whether you like it or not.

    'hero
    [heer-oh]

    1.
    a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.

    2.
    a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal:'


    Hero | Define Hero at Dictionary.com

    He IS admired by many for his brave deeds so he IS a hero.

    Period.


    Jeez people, at least learn what words mean before you use them.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    I see nothing in the article that proves anything against Snowden.

    It provides no factual proof whatsoever that he gave any names to the Russians/Chinese.

    It's just Snowden haters who assume he must have given them up.


    And, you people must be staggeringly naive to simply take the word of any intelligence agency sight unseen.

    Ahhh yes...the little trained minions...believe whatever the government tells you.
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