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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Maybe if we didn't prosecute people for coming clean on governments unlawful acts the Russians and Chinese would of never seized the files
    Exactly.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    For every action there is a reaction, maybe equal and opposite too.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    I find this dubious... the only source is MI6, one of those caught with their pants down by Snowdon.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Downing Street believes that Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies have used documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden to identify British and US secret agents, according to a report in the Sunday Times.

    The newspaper says MI6, Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, has withdrawn agents from overseas operations because Russian security services had broken into encrypted files held by American computer analyst Snowden.

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    Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6


    This person is not a hero.
    This solidifies the fact that Snowden is a ****ing traitor.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Snowden didn't even try to go through channels.
    Snowden Was a contractor and not a government employee. Therefor he would not be afforded whistleblower protections.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Anonymous sources from the CIA are now coming forward and claiming that Snowden is the anti-christ and is personally responsible for spreading Ebola, the California drought, and setting prisoners in New York free.
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    Omg! Snowden is such a traitor! This information is coming from the government on the Internet; the two most trusted news sources combined. It mus be true!!!!
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    This solidifies the fact that Snowden is a ****ing traitor.
    As well as the fact that government excess and constitutional violations are supported by the fringe right.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Did they withdraw them?
    The article clearly said "has withdrawn".


    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    One of the glaring lies in the Sunday Times confection is that Snowden headed to Moscow.
    The provided article clearly indicated "He fled to Hong Kong, then to Moscow".


    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    He was actually in transit to Latin America, when the US pulled his passport, preventing his onward travel.

    Lame.
    He was in flight and ended up fleeing to Moscow.





    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Right... And there are no other valid or plausible scenarios?
    Please tell me when a secretive government agency has ever voluntarily released information that wasn't selling you one thing while serving other antithetical means or purposes?

    Add to the mix that China has been on a hacking rampage of late....

    Why would they tip off our enemies we're spying on to look for an exodus of British nationals? Again, not one named source. Carefully couched wording like "believes"

    Anyone buying such tripe after a century of examples of intelligence types using public passion to accomplish covert primary objectives, is abdicating their responsibility to remain always skeptical and vigilant of what their gov't tells them or does.

    But... If you want to reveal yourself is a gullible gov't toady..... Shrugs

    Such tripe.
    The article clearly indicated the withdrawing was past tense.
    So it would not have been a tipping off of anything and only an acknowledgement of their having decrypted the files.





    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Maybe if we didn't prosecute people for coming clean on governments unlawful acts the Russians and Chinese would of never seized the files
    There is a way to expose unlawful acts. He chose an illegal route and exposed legal acts as well as jeopardized our assests and legal collection efforts.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What a bunch of bull****.
    Yes, that is exactly what you provided is.
    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    He is not a hero.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Without Snowden we would not even be talking about the NSA's bulk data collection program, we would not be talking about the presence of a secret court where the government obtains authorization without any sense of 4th Amendment protections for the individual, and we would also not be talking about how far our government agencies would be willing to go to spy on our on citizens and the governments of our allies.
    1. Don't care what they collected or if people are talking about it. This is about the wrongness of Snowden's actions.
    2. Talking about the other things you mentioned has always been done. Also irrelevant to the fact of his wrongful actions.
    3. Don't care what government they spied on. It is what Governments should and will continue to do. Which is also irrelevant to the wrongness of his actions.
    4. OMG! The Government collected data. The sky is falling! Not! This is not about that but about Snowdens wrong actions in releasing information he was not entitled to release.
    Snowden could have chosen another avenue, he didn't. That is on him regardless of the underlying issue. He had no right to release the information he did.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Anytime someone of an IQ lower than their shoe size suggests Snowden is a traitor, what they failed to realize is they inherently call the American People enemies of the state. That is who he handed information to, the people through the media so they ultimately knew how far their government was willing to go to trade Constitutional protections for the guise of national security. You should be thanking Snowden for being willing to share with you how far Republicans and Democrats alike are willing to go in an effort to marginalize the rights of the individual. His actions reminded us that the Patriot Act is no more about patriotism than the Freedom Act is about freedoms.
    The ones with low IQ's are the ones claiming he is a hero and isn't a traitor.
    Nor do I care how you want to falsely spin his illegal actions. And that was not to whom he handed the information.

    But if you really think he is a hero, please emulate his exact actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    And while other IQ challenged individuals suggest that you should not care much about a right to privacy assuming you have nothing to hide, *is* saying you do not care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
    Not an argument I made, so you should control your hyperbolic bs as the low IQ excrement just applies to the side you chose to argue in response to his wrongful actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Assuming that the OP article is right on Snowden files being compromised by Russia and China, the honest culprit at the end of the day is the US government for doing all this nonsense in the first place.
    Wrong.
    He is for taking and releasing information that he was not allowed to take or release.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    This nonsense that has not made us any safer, but has developed one hell of a business model and political strategy model that suggests scaring the hell out of our citizens until they willingly surrender their rights for more government intrusion.

    More hyperbolic nonsense.
    But it is nice to know that you do not care about the damage his wrongful action caused.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    To argue against what Snowden's actions have generated in conversation, and scrutiny, and push back on our government is a suggestion of not caring at all about the real non-debatable intentions of the Constitution. A limiting mechanism for the government, not the people.
    Two separate issues.
    This is about the wrongness of his actions, not the wrongness or legality of the collection.

    That said; The people are not entitled to know everything.
    A person who thinks otherwise is not being rational.

    As for collection of information.
    The information is going to be collected anyways.
    If not by our own Government, then by another. And it is likely that we will by mutual agreements, trade and/or purchase, or spy on, to obtain.
    And if obtained illegally it is not like it can be used in a US Court against a person, as it would be fruit of the poisonous tree.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Snowden Was a contractor and not a government employee. Therefor he would not be afforded whistleblower protections.
    I think that there actually may have been something for him, but as I pointed out earlier, Obama has a flair for prosecuting whistleblowers.

    The Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information.
    The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of the Defense Intelligence Agency, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, and the National Security Agency can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress. DoD IG Instruction 7050.11, dated 15 February 2007, implements the ICWPA within the DoD Office of Inspector General.

    http://www.dodig.mil/programs/whistleblower/icwpa.html
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