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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    [QUOTE=jmotivator;1064723866]You have different concerns, not greater concerns. And you are simply arguing a hypothetical of what might have happened while I am concerned with what he actually did.[/QUOTE]

    And not at all with the greater crime by a federal agency against all Americans. My opinions clear, I consider Snowden's crime a lesser crime that trumps the governments greater crime. And your opinions clear to me.

    Btw,, there is no hypothetical. Obama is in fact prosecuting whistleblowers at an alarming rate compared to his predecessors, which is a big fat lie of his.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    I have a lot of time for Jon Snow, news anchor at Channel 4.

    " ...It was a bold claim attributed to the Sunday Times. The only tangible evidence appeared to reside in the writers of the article, including the Sunday Times reporter Tom Harper – of whom more in a moment.

    There was a sense of inevitability about the whole story. First Congress rejects America’s own surveillance law; then within days Britain’s Independent Reviewer of Terrorism, David Anderson QC, follows suit. What could be worse? Suddenly Snowden was back on track for “saviour of the world” status. The fightback could not be far behind.

    And there, alone, fuelled by un-named persons in the “Home Office” and “Downing Street”, rides the Sunday Times to recast Snowden as the most dangerous man on the planet. And there the story might have sat had it not been for a a very weak account of their accounts that the unfortunate Mr Harper gave to CNN in which the phrase “we don’t know” appeared to be the stated answer to almost every one of the network’s reasonable questions about the Sunday Times’s claims. ... "

    Edward Snowden: publishing the position of the government?
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    Apparently you think these reporters are going to jeopardize their career by reporting made up stuff. Strange.
    I didnt call it "made up".
    I said they essentially just took the UK governments position, and ran with it.
    He even says that when asked about he came about the story, "Asked by CNN's George Howell how senior British government officials know that Russia and China have indeed breached the encrypted files, Harper replied: "I don’t know the answer to that. All we know is that this is effectively the official position of the British government." Sunday Times Reporter Tries To Defend Snowden Story

    This is just **** for journalism.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Turning top secret data over to foreign countries is never justified. If Obama wasn't to be trusted then he could have reached out to members of Congress, or the press. He just ignored every avenue available to him and committed treason instead.
    He did turn the documents over to the press. Snowden hasn't released a single document. The press he gave the documents to released some of the information.

    There is no evidence at all he turned top secret data over to foreign countries.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He never tried. He had already left the country with his purloined documents in tow when his story broke.
    The problem is he knew what happened to Drake, also of NSA, who DID try like hell to go through the right channels. And they ruined him, destroyed his career, his reputation, buried him for years defending trumped up BS criminal charges.

    That's the problem when you do that to people who try to do the right thing. You tell others, "If you try, we will destroy you" and so we can either accept that no one can challenge the national security apparatus, or accept that anyone who does do it will have to break the law.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    As much as you despise government spy agencies they are a necessary evil and we are all spying on each other including allies. It would be foolish not to if our adversaries are doing it. And believe it or not the information our intelligence operatives get is vital to the nation's security and has saved countless lives. One has only to look at WWII to see what breakthroughs were made by the allies against the Nazis that helped us win the war.

    Bashing the west for spying is naive if you know the extent of subterfuge the Chinese and Russians are engaging in.

    As a former member of the military with a security clearance I am aghast at what Snowden did. His intentions may have been noble but he played right into the hands of Russia and China and put agents of the west in grave danger.
    I have nothing against spying as long as it is not done on our own people.I am sure the Chinese and the Russians feel the same way about their government spying,cool as long as it is done on the enemies and bad when they do it on the people.

    But lets not fool ourselves here about thinking these people are noble.The lie for a living.Lying is what they do.They lied to the people and wiped their **** covered ass with the 4th amendment.Their spying on the people is a way much larger offense that what these known liars are alleging Snowden did. Everything those people say should be suspect, especially when they were caught lying about spying on the people. You wouldn't trust a known junkie to watch your house for the weekend because that junkie may steal everything in your home to buy drugs. You wouldn't trust a convicted child rapist to watch your kids because that convicted child rapist might rape your kids. You wouldn't let some one who is vehicle accident prone drive a prized sports car because that sports car might get wrecked..But yet you are going to take the word of dirtbags who lie their ass off .
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The problem is he knew what happened to Drake, also of NSA, who DID try like hell to go through the right channels. And they ruined him, destroyed his career, his reputation, buried him for years defending trumped up BS criminal charges.

    That's the problem when you do that to people who try to do the right thing. You tell others, "If you try, we will destroy you" and so we can either accept that no one can challenge the national security apparatus, or accept that anyone who does do it will have to break the law.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You have different concerns, not greater concerns. And you are simply arguing a hypothetical of what might have happened while I am concerned with what he actually did.
    Actually, you continue to prove that you have no idea what Snowden did or did not do. You're making the same noises as a plugged toilet. Get some air man. You have cast aspersions with absolutely no factual basis or linked support. Many of the posters on this board were born at night, but it was not last night. You're passin' gas, my friend.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I didnt call it "made up".
    I said they essentially just took the UK governments position, and ran with it.
    He even says that when asked about he came about the story, "Asked by CNN's George Howell how senior British government officials know that Russia and China have indeed breached the encrypted files, Harper replied: "I don’t know the answer to that. All we know is that this is effectively the official position of the British government." Sunday Times Reporter Tries To Defend Snowden Story

    This is just **** for journalism.
    He doesn't have to know to report what he is being told.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Of course I'm old enough to remember! The difference between Snowden and Ellberg is one did it for money and the other was just naive.

    Institutionalized torture is now banned by the Obama administration. What's your point?

    And no I'm not big on torture. It provides lots of false information due to the desperation of the detainee.

    And contrary to our last president and vp, waterboarding IS torture which is obvious to anyone that is familiar with it.
    I'm glad we agree that torture is a crime under both US statutes and international law.

    Regarding the comparison between Ellsberg and Snowden, which of them did it for money? Do we know how much money was involved?

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