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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Turning top secret data over to foreign countries is never justified. If Obama wasn't to be trusted then he could have reached out to members of Congress, or the press. He just ignored every avenue available to him and committed treason instead.
    Don't know what you mean by "TOP" secret data, and you can surely see what BS this op story is. I have no authority over Snowden's fate, but I will always be grateful to have confirmed what I strongly suspected all along. For my part, a US citizen will always get my pardon for having violated a US law in the commission of exposing government wrong doing, and most particularly when it involves any suppression to my civil liberties or violation thereof. Of course what I would prefer is better protections for whistleblowers that would give a Snowden a cleaner method for disclosing crimes committed by our government against ourselves! But then for all his promises to the contrary, Obama has prosecuted mor whistleblowers than his predecessors. An agency of the federal government with the power to do what senator Church warned of 40 odd years ago, with just 1976 technology, engaging in what Snowden revealed, really reaches out and grabs the attention of many of us, and the response is resoundingly NO!!!!! So whether or not Snowden's a "hero" I'll leave for others to argue about. But for me, his charges are waived in favor of the good he did for all the citizens of the US. Those that are upset or even angry over Snowden, should at least show some disfavour with the NSA, and should have been vocal in support of far mor reforms to that agency then what just recently cane out of congress.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Turning top secret data over to foreign countries is never justified. If Obama wasn't to be trusted then he could have reached out to members of Congress, or the press. He just ignored every avenue available to him and committed treason instead.
    Wait, where's your proof that Snowden turned over top secret data to foreign governments?

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't know what you mean by "TOP" secret data, and you can surely see what BS this op story is. I have no authority over Snowden's fate, but I will always be grateful to have confirmed what I strongly suspected all along. For my part, a US citizen will always get my pardon for having violated a US law in the commission of exposing government wrong doing, and most particularly when it involves any suppression to my civil liberties or violation thereof. Of course what I would prefer is better protections for whistleblowers that would give a Snowden a cleaner method for disclosing crimes committed by our government against ourselves! But then for all his promises to the contrary, Obama has prosecuted mor whistleblowers than his predecessors. An agency of the federal government with the power to do what senator Church warned of 40 odd years ago, with just 1976 technology, engaging in what Snowden revealed, really reaches out and grabs the attention of many of us, and the response is resoundingly NO!!!!! So whether or not Snowden's a "hero" I'll leave for others to argue about. But for me, his charges are waived in favor of the good he did for all the citizens of the US. Those that are upset or even angry over Snowden, should at least show some disfavour with the NSA, and should have been vocal in support of far mor reforms to that agency then what just recently cane out of congress.
    First, Snowden had Top Secret clearance so he was working with top secret systems and disclosed top secret information.

    None of what you say excuses Snowden's actions after blowing the whistle. Turning over top secret documents to the Russians for protection is an act of betrayal and cowardice. He lost all of my respect at that point. Had he stopped at revealing the existence of the program to a reporter then I would have had no problem with him.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    There's no evidence he turned over documents of any kind to anyone. The "sources" haven't said where or when or by whom these documents were obtained.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    First, Snowden had Top Secret clearance so he was working with top secret systems and disclosed top secret information.

    None of what you say excuses Snowden's actions after blowing the whistle. Turning over top secret documents to the Russians for protection is an act of betrayal and cowardice. He lost all of my respect at that point. Had he stopped at revealing the existence of the program to a reporter then I would have had no problem with him.
    Well, I would have preferred that the "greatest democracy in the world" would have avenues for a citizen to expose crimes against Americans without fear of prosecution, but Obama's destroyed that. I want that dealt with, as well as the crimes of the NSA. You may focus on Snowden all you wish.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, I would have preferred that the "greatest democracy in the world" would have avenues for a citizen to expose crimes against Americans without fear of prosecution, but Obama's destroyed that. I want that dealt with, as well as the crimes of the NSA. You may focus on Snowden all you wish.
    He never tried. He had already left the country with his purloined documents in tow when his story broke.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He never tried. He had already left the country with his purloined documents in tow when his story broke.
    You don't get it j, Obama's prosecution of whistleblowers is at an all time high. There's nothing to try. There's a malfunction in our democratic process that doesn't bother you, but Snowden does. What else is there to say, it's the same as last time, focus on Snowden all you wish. I have greater concerns about this.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan? View Post
    Your position is based upon anonymous sources implying that files Snowden stated did not leave Hong Kong have been de-crypted by Russian and Chinese agencies. No proof. No specific source. Another government "Narrative" delivered to Mass Media stenographers and spun to suck in the naive. "Blood on his hands." A slander as the article also states no known injuries of their mythical victims. No documented sources. No official agency statement. Anonymity! Feel sumpin' slippin'?

    Still just confirming your position is based on absurd and conspiratorial thoughts.

    And no, that is not slander, which just further confirms that you known not of what you speak.





    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage? View Post
    Since what I said seems to went over head your head I will say it in simpler terms.You are trusting the word of know liars who have not offered any actual evidence to support their claim of what they alleged Snowden did. Why on earth would you trust what these people say? You must be one of millions of gullible people who believed Obama when he said "if you like your doctor then you can keep your doctor" seeing how you are so willing to believe known liars.
    iLOL

    Again you have said nothing relevant to the information provided and clearly know not of what you speak.





    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari? View Post
    Government shouldn't have been doing ****ed up **** that required him to take this action.
    Lame reply.
    They did not do anything that "required" him to take action. He chose to take illegal action all on his own.





    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I knew this was total bull****. Shame on you Rupert Murdoch!

    The Sunday Times sends DMCA notice to critics of Snowden hacking story | Ars Technica
    Your article doesn't disprove what was reported.





    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This reporter is a hell of a ****ty reporter: "we just publish what we believe to be the position of the British government."
    "Um... well... I don't know the answer to that, George. Um.... All we know is that... um... this is effectively the official position of the British government. Um.... we picked up on it... um... a while ago. And we've been working on it and trying to stand it up through multiple sources. And when we approached the British government late last week with our evidence, they confirmed, effectively, what you read today in the Sunday Times."

    Nothing like running a story without questioning it, especially the 'official government position', then reporting it as 100% fact. Essentially the UK government made a claim, didnt back up the claim with evidence, and the Sunday Times reported it as 100% fact as an event that actually happened without any substantial proof.
    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...told-him.shtml

    Apparently you think these reporters are going to jeopardize their career by reporting made up stuff. Strange.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't get it j, Obama's prosecution of whistleblowers is at an all time high. There's nothing to try. There's a malfunction in our democratic process that doesn't bother you, but Snowden does. What else is there to say, it's the same as last time, focus on Snowden all you wish. I have greater concerns about this.
    You have different concerns, not greater concerns. And you are simply arguing a hypothetical of what might have happened while I am concerned with what he actually did.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This person is not a hero.
    That's becoming more and more apparent.
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