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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Trusting a government spy agency to be a trust worthy source is about is smart as trusting a pedophile around your 6 year old daughter. If you want to trust the people who lied their ****ing ass off to you about spying on the people then go ahead. Besides that the government claiming Snowden gave secrets to the enemy amounts to a bank robber trying to rat someone out for stealing a pack of gum.
    As much as you despise government spy agencies they are a necessary evil and we are all spying on each other including allies. It would be foolish not to if our adversaries are doing it. And believe it or not the information our intelligence operatives get is vital to the nation's security and has saved countless lives. One has only to look at WWII to see what breakthroughs were made by the allies against the Nazis that helped us win the war.

    Bashing the west for spying is naive if you know the extent of subterfuge the Chinese and Russians are engaging in.

    As a former member of the military with a security clearance I am aghast at what Snowden did. His intentions may have been noble but he played right into the hands of Russia and China and put agents of the west in grave danger.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I completely agree with you James!!!!
    He couldn't be more wrong.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    OMG, is this another case of the pot calling the kettle black?
    No it's a case of naive commentators.
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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your position is based upon anonymous sources implying that files Snowden stated did not leave Hong Kong have been de-crypted by Russian and Chinese agencies. No proof. No specific source. Another government "Narrative" delivered to Mass Media stenographers and spun to suck in the naive. "Blood on his hands." A slander as the article also states no known injuries of their mythical victims. No documented sources. No official agency statement. Anonymity! Feel sumpin' slippin'?
    And one could make the case your comments lack credibility as well unless you have some inside source.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    He couldn't be more wrong.
    That's your opinion, I understand.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    As much as you despise government spy agencies they are a necessary evil and we are all spying on each other including allies. It would be foolish not to if our adversaries are doing it. And believe it or not the information our intelligence operatives get is vital to the nation's security and has saved countless lives. One has only to look at WWII to see what breakthroughs were made by the allies against the Nazis that helped us win the war.

    Bashing the west for spying is naive if you know the extent of subterfuge the Chinese and Russians are engaging in.

    As a former member of the military with a security clearance I am aghast at what Snowden did. His intentions may have been noble but he played right into the hands of Russia and China and put agents of the west in grave danger.
    Yes, and if you are old enough (I doubt you are) you were aghast, shocked I say, at what Daniel Ellsberg did too.

    Does this mean you are proud and supportive of our institutionalized torture?

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's your opinion, I understand.
    Now Greenwald has set the record straight--Snowden destroyed his own copies of the material he took from the government BEFORE he left Hong Kong. The only person with the copies were journalists, as Snowden intended from the start.

    Thus, the weeping and gnashing of teeth by the Brits MI6 was all just a show, based upon a complete lie. And THAT is the Modus Operandi of our security state--make stuff up and tell stories the gullible will believe.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It is entirely logical that Russia and China would exploit the situation. It's what countries do. To think otherwise is naive. And the last time the identities of our spies were compromised some ended up dead. It's a very serious game.

    The man may have had noble intentions but he played right into the hands of Russia and China.
    On the other hand, we all are aware of the "Mighty Wurlitzer" to spin propaganda. Snowden said he downloaded all his files and sent them with Poitras, Greenwald or another person before he left Hong Kong. Please show me proof that any files made it to Russian or Chinese hands. Snowden has been getting good press ever since it became common knowledge that NSA has exceeded it snooping legalities at every opportunity and must be restrained, ergo the "Mighty Wurlitzer" adjusts perception with news articles attempting to defame Snowden. An article with no specific source, no documentation, insinuations unbacked by facts is "Perception Management" and you have been sucked in. This approaches the definition of smart feller or fart smeller. Perception management, don't ya' know?

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    On the other hand, we all are aware of the "Mighty Wurlitzer" to spin propaganda. Snowden said he downloaded all his files and sent them with Poitras, Greenwald or another person before he left Hong Kong. Please show me proof that any files made it to Russian or Chinese hands. Snowden has been getting good press ever since it became common knowledge that NSA has exceeded it snooping legalities at every opportunity and must be restrained, ergo the "Mighty Wurlitzer" adjusts perception with news articles attempting to defame Snowden. An article with no specific source, no documentation, insinuations unbacked by facts is "Perception Management" and you have been sucked in. This approaches the definition of smart feller or fart smeller. Perception management, don't ya' know?
    That's the problem. If the British intelligence agency doesn't have enough backbone or respect for their citizens to put a name to these explosive allegations, I see no reason to take them seriously, and so disregard them as nothing more than unproved speculation. There is no reason for anonymity here, except for the person making the allegations doesn't want to be held accountable for spreading propaganda with no basis in the facts.

    And I'm about over any press organization that allows this kind of stuff to happen. A press doing its job says to the intelligence officials - "No name, no facts to back up these allegations, no story." Pretty simple. Instead they take dictation from government officials and dutifully publish it. They're stenographers, not reporters, and don't deserve anyone's trust or respect.

    In this case the stenographer couldn't be bothered with even simple fact checking, and so made the easily proved false claim that Greenwald's partner/boyfriend was stopped after visiting Snowden in Moscow when they discovered classified documents. At that point, he had never visited Moscow or Snowden, and was on his way back from Germany. Google and 2 minutes is all you need to fact check that claim, which tells us all we need to know about the fact checking that went on with this story - none.

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    Re: Russia and China broke into Snowden files to identify western spies, says MI6

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    That's amazing. You've gotten it completely backwards. Tell me which party the current President, who has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all the previous presidents combined, belongs to. What is his ideology?

    Meanwhile, telling the enemy who our foreign secret agents are is treason straight up. It is in no way a legitimate thing for a whistleblower to do, knowingly or not.
    That's right it is treason, and extraordinary and explosive allegations like that require evidence and the story that made the claim provided not one shred of it.

    At the very least, if someone in the intelligence agency wants to call Snowden a traitor, they damn sure ought to have the courage to put their name and title to the allegations. Making it behind a veil of anonymity is chicken shiate behavior.
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