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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    There is no faith in verifiable statements. They simply exist as proof of a person's positions. She said them, unless she has said something, the only position is that she is still supportive of it. Whatever Bernie Sanders wants is irrelevant. I couldn't care less what "more people" want.
    She supported it then and she's silent now. When the heat is on she runs for cover. That's why the Washington Post, not Bernie Sanders, referred to her cowardice.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    Most Repubs voted against the related, but separate, worker assistance bill. No surprise there; it was the Dems turning against it who killed it. Repubs passed the actual trade bill.

    ". . . The worker aid program, which expires in September, drew heavy opposition from both parties, with 158 Republicans joining 144 Democrats in voting "no." The overall vote was 302-126 against. . . ."
    So what you're saying is that Democrats made it impossible to pass this bill even though Republicans had the votes necessary to pass it in its entirety and managed to pass a section of a related bill? Oh okay.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    EXCEPT I POSTED HER WORDS SHOWING THAT SHE IS CLEARLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. Do you believe that she was praising the deal when it first got underway because she was against it or neutral on the matter? If you want her to comment on the existing specifics of the deal, that's silly as she stopped being head of the DOS nearly 2 years ago and would have no role/knowledge of separate sections. However, her support for the deal is unquestionable unless you have SOMETHING else to contradict it. If this is too much for you, I understand.
    You posted her words three years ago when she was a member of the Obama administration under orders to support the Obama administration. Post her words now as candidate Clinton trying to woo the union and minority vote and you may have an argument. Until then. . . .no.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So what you're saying is that Democrats made it impossible to pass this bill even though Republicans had the votes necessary to pass it in its entirety and managed to pass a section of a related bill? Oh okay.
    Yes. The prospect was always that Repubs would do the heavy lift on trade and Dems would pass worker protection. Repubs did their part; Dems did not do theirs.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. The prospect was always that Repubs would do the heavy lift on trade and Dems would pass worker protection. Repubs did their part; Dems did not do theirs.
    Democrats didn't have the vote to pass it on their end. Why couldn't Republicans muster the necessary votes? Anyways, can you post evidence of this prospect? I mean something other than what some guy on the internet thought was going to happen.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You posted her words three years ago when she was a member of the Obama administration under orders to support the Obama administration.
    Yes, I posted her words when they were relevant to her role in government. Not now that Bernie Sanders and everyone who is new to this thing has decided she needs to make a new soundbite.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Democrats didn't have the vote to pass it on their end. Why couldn't Republicans muster the necessary votes?
    Because the Republicans weren't going to go along with an utterly ridiculous idea of compensating people who lost their jobs because of this legislation. What a nightmare that would be. At least a large group of Democrats had enough common sense to know what an utterly absurd concept that is. Talk about a tangle of entitlements that would cause.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Because the Republicans weren't going to go along with an utterly ridiculous idea of compensating people who lost their jobs because of this legislation. What a nightmare that would be. At least a large group of Democrats had enough common sense to know what an utterly absurd concept that is. Talk about a tangle of entitlements that would cause.
    Obama quest for fast-track trade bill on ice in House | Reuters

    A House Republican aide told reporters Republican leaders hope to stage a vote again Tuesday to pass the worker aid portion of the bill. That would allow the entire bill to be signed into law by Obama, but its chances were unclear.
    It seems Republicans are about to go with that ridiculous idea in a few days.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    Obama quest for fast-track trade bill on ice in House | Reuters



    It seems Republicans are about to go with that ridiculous idea in a few days.
    If you interpret "hoping" and "chances are unclear' as the Republicans are about to do something, that could explain your quoting Hillary Clinton's statement on the TPP three years ago as her point of view now. That is really reading a whole lot into something that wasn't actually said.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Once again, when you folks have no where else to go but totally inane black/white extreme choices, you've already lost, and you know it.
    "You folks"? You mean economists?

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