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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    As I've said previously, I found it funny that some of the same people who wanted to give Obama authority to bind the US in a deal with Iran didn't want him to have authority to bind the US to a trade deal. The opposite is also true.

    I see no reason why Presidents ask for and receive such authority. Canada is involved in the same process and our government has provided some information related to the deal negotiations and the entire deal will be subject to parliamentary approval. We did similar with our deal with the EU which is currently in the ratification stages and with our deals with India and South Korea, to name two others.

    Canada has no fear about opening up agreements with the world - it's the way of the future. If the US doesn't get involved, then the European and Asian markets will have free trade access to the US, through Canada and our NAFTA agreement, without the US having reciprocal access to those other markets.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Yet Clyburn and Hoyer didn't vote no--the #s 2 and 3.
    Many DEMs were insulted by the President "trying to guilt people and impugn their integrity".
    Kind of like calling Sen. Warren "Elizabeth" and never calling her Senator, as she calls him the President .

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    she was sorry, but she voted against it

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The international community responsible for this has remained consistent in its stated goals for the TPP. Hillary has only given mentions of support. Whether the TPP achieves its goals or not is another matter but Hillary's support for the TPP is unquestionable unless you have evidence to her saying something else on the matter. I couldn't find anything. What we do know now is that the claim that she's stayed mum on the issue is simply not true.
    According to the WikiLeaks documents that made this secret undertaking a lot more public than the participants intended for it to be, there is mention of multiple drafts following each round of criticisms from participating members. Where is your evidence that each draft is identical to the one that preceded it?

    Goals and actual policy are often two entirely different things.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    According to the WikiLeaks documents that made this secret undertaking a lot more public than the participants intended for it to be, there is mention of multiple drafts following each round of criticisms from participating members. Where is your evidence that each draft is identical to the one that preceded it?
    You do realize that the specifics are not what are required for her to state her support. Right? She stated support for the TPP and its intended goals. Whether the specifics actually achieve this is an entirely different matter and up to subjective understandings of the final document. However, Hillary supports its intended goal to further expand and liberalize trade between nations.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Some people would rather stay quiet and be thought of as fools, than speak up and remove all doubt. People who have run for the GOP in the last few elections seem to ignore this a lot.
    Its a little late for that don't you think ?

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Export supported jobs exist too you know, and will be bolstered by the deal, not to mention the immense foreign policy benefits. It's sad to see a bi-partisan effort only to submarine good policy.
    and if it was actually an exercise in good public policy, why was it something to be hidden from the public?
    no doubt there were benefits
    but i suspect the disadvantages would outweigh those benefits. but because only the insiders can know what is in the proposed TPP, i cannot assure my assessment is a valid one

    looking back on NAFTA, there was a substantial amount of opposition, yet that FREE trade agreement passed. and many jobs were lost. my state went from being the first in the nation in the portion of employment coming from industry/manufacturing to second tier. we lost much of the textile, communications, furniture, and tobacco production

    it was great for walmart because they were able to buy cheaper products from china, and assisted the chinese to be able to pass us and emerge as the world's foremost economic power
    we bought cheap stuff
    at least those who had money to buy
    it wasn't from those who lost their jobs due to FREE trade

    and now they want FAST track

    we should insist on transparency about what is (supposedly) being negotiated in our behalf

    and we should insist on FAIR trade for a change (we can actually believe in)

    out trading partners, to access our lucrative markets, should be required to comply with OSHA, Labor and EPA rules just as American companies must. only then it would be FAIR trade
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its a little late for that don't you think ?
    I don't get you. Some day Hillary is an evil bitch capable of plotting the coverup of your Benghazi conspiracy theories, then next day she is a fool. Which is it? Get your narrative right. Either she's the Wicked Witch of the West or she's a Sarah Palin with fewer gaffes.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't get you. Some day Hillary is an evil bitch capable of plotting the coverup of your Benghazi conspiracy theories, then next day she is a fool. Which is it? Get your narrative right. Either she's the Wicked Witch of the West or she's a Sarah Palin with fewer gaffes.
    You can be both.

    A fool and a evil bitch.

    She lied right to the faces of the parents who lost their sons in Benghazi

    She's a evil bitch.

    She's a Progressive.

    She's a fool.

    See ?

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You can be both.

    A fool and a evil bitch.

    She lied right to the faces of the parents who lost their sons in Benghazi

    She's a evil bitch.

    She's a Progressive.

    She's a fool.

    See ?
    Well, let it never be said that you're not inconsistent. She's both a mastermind who covers up conspiracies, and she's a fool.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do realize that the specifics are not what are required for her to state her support. Right? She stated support for the TPP and its intended goals. Whether the specifics actually achieve this is an entirely different matter and up to subjective understandings of the final document. However, Hillary supports its intended goal to further expand and liberalize trade between nations.
    EVERYBODY supports goals to further expand and liberalize trade between nations. Even the most staunch isolationist like a Ron Paul is in favor of that. The devil, however, is always in the details. There is no political liability whatsoever in agreeing that talks should commence. But only the brave are willing to stand up and defend their point of view when a specific policy is on the table.

    Hillary has rarely been brave. And even when she has been, she is quick to back down and change her position when her bravery might be a political liability.

    Right now Hillary is banking on unions and minorities to be her primary winning base. These groups oppose the TPP.

    So where does Hillary, candidate for President of the USA, stand? You don't know. I don't know. It is quite possible she doesn't know until she can be certain which way the wind is blowing.
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